[lac-discuss-en] Argentina - Decree: ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Program

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Mon Apr 12 09:13:27 CDT 2010


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Subject: Re: Argentina - Decree: ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR Program
From: goldstein.roxana at gmail.com

Mónica Thanks. 
 
The idea that attempt to express is that also it produces a differenceno 
to offer access to systems that are today like estandar in the market. 
we would be forcing to only free software, and we would not give the opportunity of 
to use and to know what is - independently of which we like or no 
installed like estandar, to which it is not possible to be acceded without payment, and 
beneficiaries would be forced to incur expenses outside their reach 
in order to be able to know those systems privative. 
 
I am in favor of free software, but I believe that we cannot be imposed of 
facto to the favored populations less through the programs of 
attendance. Those beneficiaries I believe must have the opportunity of 
to choose like the rest, and to know the systems nonfree is in 
disadvantage since they cannot to face his costs. 
 
For that reason I believe that it would have to occur both systems, with the education 
corresponding, and to lead itself the subject of free softwarewith programs 
especificos that all the users treat equal, without distinctions. Without 
estigmas, without differences. A usuary beneficiary of a program of 
universalización of the access must be treated just as the others, 
differences would only be justifiable if they are in favor of his extension of 
opportunities, not if they restrict them. 
 
They are ideas as soon as sketched, we can continue thinking them. 
 
Thanks for your interest in the idea. 
Hug, 
Roxana 
 
 
 
The 12 of April of 2010 10:58, Monic <moni at abalo-laforgia.com.ar> it wrote: 
> Hello Roxana, > Thanks for your commentaries. > For which they do not know it, wanted to add in addition, that Roxana is > flaming member of the Argentina Chapter of ISOC (ISOC-Ar)... > > Queri'a hacerte a consultation, with respect to one of your reflections of the mail > previous: Why you say that if is included only free softwareis run > the risk of creating differentiated populations... It is notthat it is not of > agreement in which both are included, but never me had put it to think of > that way and I would like to know your opinion. > > Thank you very much! > Greetings, > Mónica Abalo > > original -----Mensaje > Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org > [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of > Roxana > Goldstein > Envoy: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:17 A.M. > For: Andres Piazza > CC: Spanish LACRALO > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Argentina - Decree: Program > ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> > >!
  Hello Andrés! > Thanks for your generous introduction! > > As far as the article that references, I emphasize this: > "netbooks that it will distribute the State is based on the model ofClassmate > although is clarified that Windows can contain so much an operating system > like > Linux. "If there is not much difference of silver between both options, it seems to me > most neutral than has both including operating systems. If Linux is > as good as I create, the machine would have to work better. At the end of > accounts, will finish being a gratuitous publicity for free software ", > affirmed to Página/12 Ricardo Beltrán, investigator of theUBA." > > Coincido in which the equipment must have both systems. In my humble one > opinion: > 1 - the digital inclusion must start off of the extension of liberties, and one > of them is the freedom to choose informadamente with what system to work. > > 2 - it would have to also go accompanied with formation in the use but in the g!
 lance > critical on the use and incorporation of the technolog!
 ies, bot
h aspects of > the formation is fundamental for a true freedom of selection > > 3 - if free software were only gotten up, runs the risk of creating > differentiated populations, and the digital inclusion would not have to generate those > differences. The formation for the use and of critical glance - that I mention > above would have to become for all, not only for the beneficiaries of this > project. That could be faced from another program, equal forall. > > Greetings, > Roxana > > the 12 of April of 2010 08:48, Andres Piazza > <andrespiazzagpj at hotmail.com>it wrote: > > &gt; > &gt; Hello Roxana, like these? > &gt; > &gt; Is a pleasure tenerte this way, although already it knew that you were reading > list, > &gt; I am glad much to receive your contribution in the same one. > &gt; > &gt; For which they do not know it, Roxana is an outstanding activist of > region, > &gt; of academic profile, withdrawn of the first litter of the Internet Governance > &gt; Capacity Building !
 de Diplofoundation in 07, and that has one active one > &gt; participation in international organisms, specially in the O.A.S. and > others > &gt; of the System of United Nations. > &gt; > &gt; Tuve the opportunity to know it in Rio de Janeiro in the meeting > &gt; preparatory regional for the IGF of 2009 and to be in fluid contact > &gt; from there. Its interest in the ICANN space is absolutelywelcome > and > &gt; I believe that it has much to contribute to us. > &gt; > &gt; On the other hand, is an individual member of the list, and is one > &gt; very interesting experience that debieramos to deepen from the region > (stops > &gt; to be honest is, from 2006, a pending account of LACRALO,the one of > to count > &gt; with better participation of individuals). > &gt; > &gt; Respect to your appreciations, in this same thread I had pronounced myself > and > &gt; I must say that I agree in which you have expressed in main lines. > &gt; > &gt; Something that could add to which a!
 lready I said, as a critic, is > alliance > &gt; with Intel an!
 d Micros
oft > &gt; > http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/economia/subnotas/143730-46195-2010-04-12 >. > htmlque, in principle, jeopardizes the principle of Technological Neutrality. > &gt; > &gt; Greetings, > &gt; > &gt; Andrés Piazza > &gt; > &gt; &gt; Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:29:41 -0300 > &gt; &gt; From: goldstein.roxana at gmail.com > &gt; &gt; To: to presidencia at internauta.org.ar > &gt; &gt; CC: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > &gt; &gt; Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] Argentina - Decree: Program > &gt; ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> < > to http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/&gt; > &gt; > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; Hello to all and all, > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; Firstly, I want to thank for the opportunity to participate and > &gt; to present/display to me, > &gt; &gt; since I am new in this list. I am of Argentina, Buenos Aires, and come > &gt; &gt; working the subjects of digital inclusion, egobierno, IG in my country and > in > &gt; > &gt; &gt; region, w!
 ith a vision of extension of opportunities forall and > all. > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; Quisiera to express that to my also it seems to me verygood east project. > No > &gt; I have > &gt; &gt; participated in its preparation, I think totally as citizen in form > &gt; &gt; independent since I do not have entailment with the government and either with > &gt; > &gt; &gt; that tried to restrain this type of initiatives. > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; the project has several things that I like much, in addition to > &gt; intention > &gt; &gt; to reduce the digital breach: > &gt; &gt; - that is implemented in secondary state schools. It seems to me > &gt; important > &gt; &gt; that has chosen east group of beneficiaries with priority. > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; - that includes students and professors, since if not outside therefore it is made very > &gt; &gt; difficult that an advantage in the classroom of this resource exists > &gt; technological > &gt; &gt; since the professors constitute a!
  population group > significantly > &gt; &gt; left behind in i!
 ts incor
poration of these technologies as much in its lives > &gt; &gt; daily like for the performance of its roll in the classroom. > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; - which the equipment in comodato is given, and grants its property to > &gt; &gt; student if the secondary cycle finishes satisfactorily.Important already > &gt; that > &gt; &gt; is encouraged to the completion of the cycle and it looks for to retain the boys > in > &gt; > &gt; &gt; school and to avoid the scholastic desertion that is a subject very important a > &gt; &gt; to work with the adolescents in my country. This aspectof delivery in > &gt; &gt; comodato also was something outstanding of the project olpc of Uruguay, stops > &gt; &gt; to avoid that the equipment is sold. > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; I do not know the details technical the equipment that will be given, > perhaps > &gt; &gt; somebody me could extend this information. I do not know either who are > &gt; > &gt; &gt; suppliers of the equipment and software, the qu!
 alification, etc. Thanks > &gt; from > &gt; &gt; already by the information that can be contributed for greater elucidation. > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; Sincerely, > &gt; &gt; Roxana > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; the 8 of April of 2010 14:34, Presidency Internaut < > &gt; &gt; to presidencia at internauta.org.ar &gt; wrote: > &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; Agustín I am thankful that you find envoy this, you alleviated the work to me of > &gt; &gt; &gt; to do it je. > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; Moan those that spoke denostando this initiative of the government > &gt; national > &gt; &gt; &gt; Argentine. > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; To ours to understand as institution is very good andwe supported it. > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; This project began in 2005 (OLPC) with the minister of > &gt; Education > &gt; &gt; &gt; Filmus, and is, to my humble one to understand, !
 a project of digital inclusion > &gt; of > &gt; &gt; &gt; prom!
 otion of
 rights of equality of opportunities for all > &gt; inhabitants > &gt; &gt; &gt; of our country. > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; This project IF Integra the qualification to educational, IF it has > &gt; project > &gt; &gt; &gt; integrating for the families and in three years with 3.500.000 netbook > &gt; given > &gt; &gt; &gt; and servers put in its schools we will have almost 15.000.000 > people > &gt; with > &gt; &gt; &gt; possibility of access to the NTICS. > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; I am not in agreement with which it was said in the list. > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; This project will allow him to have better opportunities to young people a > > &gt; &gt; &gt; hour of the work, better opportunities for the local empresariado one to > &gt; hour > &gt; &gt; &gt; to have young people enabled in the use of TICS, etc, > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &g!
 t; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; Creo that there is to speak knowing in question, having read > &gt; &gt; &gt; project, having been present in the design of the same one or to have > &gt; tried > &gt; &gt; &gt; to approach an idea superadores (that of safe them must have and many). > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; This is not demagoguery 2.0. This political is applied in favor of the use and > &gt; &gt; &gt; popularización of that less they have and more needsin ours > country. > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; I think that this is Brilliant, and that considered many > &gt; variable > &gt; &gt; &gt; so that this goes to good port (it consists to me). > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; With regard to our organization, who IF it comes following > this > &gt; &gt; &gt; from the 2005, that we saw like the multinational companies of the soft and > &gt; hard > &gt; &gt; &gt; was killed !
 to stop this process of fairness and democracy, we have > &gt;!
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oached > &gt; &gt; &gt; some idea so that he will be better (which was recepcionadas and > &gt; had > &gt; &gt; &gt; in account at the time of putting in practice this) we supported this > initiative > &gt; that > &gt; &gt; &gt; seems to us a powerful tool at the time of speaking of > shortening > &gt; of > &gt; &gt; &gt; digital breach social inclusion and equality of rights for all > &gt; &gt; &gt; inhabitants of our country. > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; For that they are worried about the connectivity, in few > days > &gt; but, > &gt; &gt; &gt; our organization altogether with other organizations of ours > &gt; country and > &gt; &gt; &gt; with the support of some national deputies of different > &gt; started off > &gt; &gt; &gt; politicians we will be presenting/displaying the project of law of Access > Universal > &gt; of > &gt; &gt; &gt; Internet, we will send once presented/displayed in the congress a copy a > &gt; you. > &gt; &g!
 t; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; Warm Greetings > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; Sergio Saline I carry > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; Original Message From: "BASTANCHURI, Agustin" < > &gt; &gt; &gt; ABAS at marval.com.ar &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; To: "Spanish LACRALO" <lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org> > &gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:48 A.M. > &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Argentina - Decree: Program > &gt; &gt; &gt; ConectarIGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/> < > to http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/&gt; < > &gt; to http://conectarigualdad.com.ar/&gt; > &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; Sylvia- Andres: Thank you very much by the information and to help us ours > &gt; &gt; &gt; participation. > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; All: > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; Them attached the!
  text of the Decree N° 459/2010 thatleft published yesterday !
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n > &gt; &gt; &gt; Government reporter of the Argentine Republic, that creates the "Program > &gt; Conectar > &gt; &gt; &gt; IGUALDAD.COM.AR <http://igualdad.com.ar/> <http://igualdad.com.ar/> > <http://igualdad.com.ar/>" > &gt; with the purpose of providing one > &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; computer for each educational student and of the secondary schools. > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; the program also looks for "to guard by efficient (...) a level of > &gt; &gt; &gt; connectivity ". > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; I know that there are other countries of Latin America and the Caribbean that already they have > &gt; &gt; &gt; similar programs working or to send itself. He would be interesting > to know > &gt; his > &gt; &gt; &gt; commentaries on the matter. > &gt; &gt; &gt; s the good news for the objectives of our ALSs, although > &gt; we will have > &gt; &gt; &gt; that to see actually how finally it is applied. > &gt; &gt; &gt; > &gt; &gt; &gt; a great hug for all, > &gt!
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