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From: salgueiro.jo at gmail.com
I agree with you Alexander, that selection I am not anything well.
Support the proposal to vote against that option.
JOS
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From: salgueiro.jo at gmail.com
Date: Sun, 6 DEC 2009 20:28:36
To: Alexander Pisanty<apisan at servidor.unam.mx>
Subject: Re: individual direct selection or not - LACRALO - point noun for the teleconferencing
I agree with you Alexander. Memory the disaster of that selection.
JOS
Envoy from my BlackBerry de Movistar
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From: Alexander Pisanty <apisan at servidor.unam.mx>
Date: Sun, 6 DEC 2009 19:58:25
To: sylvia at prontocl<sylvia at prontocl.com.br>
Cc: ' alberto sotó<asoto at ibero-americano.org>; ' José Ovid Salgueiró<salgueiro.jo at gmail.com>; <lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Subject: individual direct selection or not - LACRALO
- point noun for the teleconferencing
Hello,
in forecast in which, by trip, it cannot participate in the session of
teleconferencing of this Monday, permítanme to paortar an opinion that I request to them
to transmit. If they agree in addition I invite to them to support it.
Reviewing the document in
https://st.icann.org/working-groups/index.cgi?At-Large%20Draft%20Procedure%20for%20Appointment%20of%20a%20Director
that one talks about the procedures to choose a member of the Council
Director of ICANN from the AT-Large, I notice in line 53 of
table, Option 5, that sets out the option of which all individual that
express his interest to do it can emit a vote.
This has been tried before and unequivocally demonstrated to lead to
dehorn.
A selection cannot be better than its registry of voters. It does not exist
registry of users of Internet, nor of individuals interested in
AT-Large, nor no other that a registry of the population constitutes
preexisting to the selections.
Consequently, the selection that we would have ahead would consist notof
to divide the electorate between the different options by which it can
to vote, but in attracting voters, with any argument, to add itself to
register and to vote. This is analogous to loq ue has in the history of many
Latin American paÃeses: caciques/candidatos raising hills by
farmers to take them to the squares with the instruction and certainty of
that they will vote by "the correct" candidate.
This procedure already presntó in the AT-Large, the selections of theyear
2000. It was called on to me to very follow them close by likepart of the Committee of Nominations
(today equivalent to the one of Selection of Candidates) and like member of the Board
of ICANN. The faults derived from the criterion described in the paragraph
previous votes by nationality, captures were multiple - corporative,
votes of clubs - and although they did not take to the cancellation of the selection and
they produced at least three valuable directors competentesy, showed all
the vulnerabilities of this process.
Thus the direct selection in this case, that to many it can pareccer to us in
principle and by our traditions most democratic, becomes
perversely the most undemocratic option.
I reiterate then my request:
1. to who is in favor present of the region I request to transmit the previous one
criterion;
2. to those who are convinced of these arguments I request to them to express his
support so that this one also is transmitted in the teleconferencing.
Warm greeting.
Alexander Pisanty
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On Sun, 6 DEC 2009, sylvia at prontocl wrote:
> Date: Sun, 6 DEC 2009 11:42:02 -0200 > From: "sylvia at prontocl" <sylvia at prontocl.com.br> > To: ' alberto sotó <asoto at ibero-americano.org>, > "[ iso-8859-1 ] ' Jose Ovid Salgueiró" <salgueiro.jo at gmail.com> > Cc: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] [ iso-8859-1 ] HEAD OF CATTLE: INVITATION for TELECONFERENCING > respect to the process of selection AT-Large Director -07 ofDecember to > 0800 UTC > > Wanted Alberto and Jose, > According to I understand this Teleconferencing is for all the thin ones. Subject is not um > internal of the LACRALO, but that is for all the thin ones. Between all we have > that to decide which is the best method to choose the futuredirector who > will represent the ALAC and that will be part of the Board. This director will act and > will represent all the thin ones and will leave anyone of them or until it is not > necessary that it is part of uma of the thin ones if is thatbetween all we decided > that the best per!
son to represent to us is not part of a thin one in that > moment. The possibilities are many... And this teleconferencing is stops > to give more form him to which one comes discussing since weknew on this > new position approved by the Board, the 27 of August 2009. > Tenemos to decide on metodolgia, quÃenes votarian, etc, etc. > FÃjense that members of other thin ones already were made similar questions and > wiki placed their positions command post, > http://www.atlarge.icann.org/wg/engagement-en.htm (althoughthey are command post ingles). > > Aqui estan the opinions on the selection process and votingthat did > NARALO and placed it to consideration of all, > http://www.atlarge.icann.org/wg/engagement-en.htm > > is outro Here wiki ocn more doubts, and the staff committeditself to look for > answers or to direct the doubt to that corresponds. Remember that to weighing > to be command post ingles, you can write Spanish command post; > https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index!
.cgi?questions_about_legal_or_other_issu > is > > and is the r!
equireme
nts necessary here to postulate itself like candidate, according to > the ICANN laws, > https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?draft_candidate_requirements > > Any thing, does not doubt command post to ask to me! I willparticipate in > teleconferencing tomorrow morning... > Greetings, > Sylvia >_________________________________________________________ > Sylvia Herlein Leite > LACRALO-ALAC Liaison > Latin America & Regional Caribbean AT-Large Organization > sylvia at internautabrasil.org > > > > > > > -----Mensagem original > Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org > [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org ] command post nome of alberto > grove > Shipment command post: Saturday, 5 of dezembro of 2009 18:57 > For: ' Jose Ovid Salgueiró; sylvia at internautabrasil.org > Cc: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > Assunto: Re: [ lac-discuss-es]INVITACION for TELECONFERENCING respect to > process of selection AT-Large Director -07 of December to 0800!
UTC > > Considered, I have the same restlessness that Jose Ovid Salgueiro, I believe that > ameritan an aclamation, including a rectification. > warm Greetings > > Dr Alberto Grove > Director IIISI > > original -----Mensaje > Of: lac-discuss-he is -bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org > [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of Jose > Ovid Sent Salgueiro: Saturday, 05 of December of 2009 05:38p.m. > For: sylvia at internautabrasil.org > CC: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-es]INVITACION for TELECONFERENCING respect to > process of selection AT-Large Director -07 of December to 0800 UTC > > Entiendo qie is a world-wide conference but qusiera they clarified two things to me > if it is possible: > > 1. So that a subject which I understand internal of Lacralomust discuss a > this level 2. Being a subject of the interest of our Thin one it even is in ingles > and to one hour so inconvenient for the region > > Thanks, > > > !
JOS > > the 05/12/09, sylvia at internautabrasil.org <sylvia at inte!
rnautabr
asil.org> > wrote: > > Loved Jose: > > I do not know if I have the correct answer for that question, but have > understood > > that the teleconferencing will be world-wide, for all theregions... without > > no type of interpretation... It is why they are possible to be done > > questions command post wiki command post any language andthe staff will be in charge of > to translate them... > > Greetings, > > Sylvia > > > > -----Mensagem original > > Of: Jose Ovid Salgueiro [ mailto:salgueiro.jo at gmail.com ]Shipment command post: > > sixth-feira, 4 of dezembro of 2009 19:23 > > For: sylvia at internautabrasil.org; > > lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Assunto: RE: [ lac-discuss-is ] INVITATION for TELECONFERENCING respect > > of the process of selection AT-Large Director -07 of December to 0800 > > UTC > > > > I have a question. So that the teleconferencing must be in > > English > if > > Latin America is majority !
as much in ALSs as in I number of users. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jose Ovid Salgueiro A. > > salgueiro.jo at gmail.com > > > > > > > > original -----Mensaje > > Of: lac-discuss-he is -bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org ] In name of > > sylvia at internautabrasil.org Sent: Friday, 04 of December of > > 2009 > > 01:02 p.m. > > For: lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] INVITATION for TELECONFERENCING respect to > > process of selection AT-Large Director -07 of December to0800 UTC > > > > Considered members of LACRALO, > > Monday that comes (7 of December to the 8UTC), will take place uma > > teleconferencing to discuss the rough draft on like deberia being > process > > of selection of the new position that has been created: the one of um director > > chosen > by > > the ALAC that will be part of the Board and theref!
ore will have right to vote. > > As they will be able to im!
agine ea
st Director will be uma very important person > > stops > > > ALAC and for the end users of Internet, of there the importance > > to choose the person certain to hold this position. > > Before the meeting of Seul and in the same one already treated east subject and > reason > > of this teleconferencing of Monday is for combining opinions since command post > > May > of > > 2010 will be due to choose that new director. > > the teleconferencing will be command post ingles, but they are allguests to send > > questions and ideas to the list or its representatives sothat of this > way > > also can participate. If they want they can participate directly > > using this Link, > > https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?7_december_2009_community_cal > > (THEY CAN WRITE SPANISH COMMAND POST THAT THE STAFF WILL BE IN CHARGE TO TRANSLATE IT) > > > > For but data enters aqui (command post inlges) > > http://www.atlarge.icann.org/wg/engagem!
ent-en.htm > > Details of the teleconferencing: > > > https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?7_december_2009_community_call_at_l > > arge_director_appointment_process > > > > Greetings to all and does not doubt command post to writeto me if they have some question! > > Sylvia > > >>_________________________________________________________ > > Sylvia Herlein Leite > > LACRALO-ALAC Liaison > > Latin America & Regional Caribbean AT-Large Organization > > sylvia at internautabrasil.org > > > > > > > > > > > -----Mensagem original > > > Of: alac-announce-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > [ mailto:alac-announce-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org ] command post nome of > > Sent > ICANN AT-Large Staff command post: quarta-feira, 2of dezembro of 2009 > > > 08:40 > > > For: alac-announce at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > Cc: Jean-Jacques Subrenat; Mike Silber; jonne.soininen at nsn.com; > > > Geo!
rge Sadowsky; Tricia Drakes; Raimundo Beca > > > Assunto!
: [ ALAC
-Announce ] INVITATION: Community Call on AT-Large > > > Director Appointment Process 07 December 0800 UTC > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > You plows invited to to teleconference on the AT-Large Director > > > Appointment Process on Monday, 7 December 2009 AT 0800 UTC. Please > > > find the agenda, participation instructions and background > > > information on the AT-Large Director appointment process to under: > > > > > > https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?7_december_2009_community_ca > > > l > > > l_at_l > > > arge_director_appointment_process > > > > > > ALAC Chair Cheryl Langdon-Orr highlighted the importance of broad > > > input from all five AT-Large regions to the AT-Large Director > > > Appointment Process and would like to request regions to submit to their > > > input to either > > > > > > > > > * via the regional representatives conf!
irmed ace attending the meeting > > > * via the Comments section on the meeting page > > > * via an email to the AT-Large list (cc'ing Cheryl Langdon-Orr and > > Staff > > > to make sure to their comments plows recorded > > > > > > The members of the Board Structural Improvements Committee and Tricia > > > Drakes plows also invited to join this discussion. > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > > > > Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella > > > Gruber-White ICANN AT-Large Staff > > > > > > email: staff AT atlarge.icann.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > > ALAC-Announce mailing list > > > ALAC-Announce at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac-announce_atlarge-lists. > > > icann.org >!
> > > > > AT-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.!
icann.or
g > > > > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists > > icann.org > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Jose Ovid Salgueiro A. > salgueiro.jo at gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists > icann.org > > http://www.lacralo.org > > >_______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists > icann.org > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > >_______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es at atlarge-lists.icann.o!
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