[lac-discuss-en] [ALAC] Draft revised Rule 21 - Minimum Participation Requirements

[carlos aguirre]

I agree with this comment made by Carlton. Excellent!

Carlos Dionisio Aguirre> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:38:04 -0400> From: jam at jacquelinemorris.com> To: carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm> CC: lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org; alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [ALAC] [lac-discuss-en] Draft revised Rule 21 - Minimum Participation Requirements> > I agree 100%> Jacqueline> Carlton Samuels wrote:> > This is a very measured response because quite frankly, this entire chapter> > tends to make this *voluntary* situation seems like work for fee. Secondly,> > it is offends reason and vex the spirit to think that minutes spent in a> > meeting is being equated with participation! [Do indulge and give me relief> > on this notion!]> >> > All in all, I support the general thrust of Alan's views. And if this> > proposal came to a vote as is, I would *strongly recommend and encourage*> > LACRALO representatives to ALAC to vote NO.> >> > Carlton> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> > [mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 02:09 PM> > To: ALAC Working List> > Subject: [ALAC] Draft revised Rule 21 - Minimum Participation Requirements> >> > (Comment also posted to the wiki.)> >> > There is a draft revision of the ALAC Rules of Procedure Rule 21 - > > Minimum Participation Requirements posted at > > https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?cairo_documents. The draft sets > > out the expectations of ALAC members and others, and includes > > remedies for non-performance. I have quite strong feelings about this > > proposal.> >> > First, those of you who have heard me talk or read my comments about > > ALAC members who cannot or do not participating effectively know that > > I fell that this problem must be addressed. However, I feel the > > documents is totally inappropriate in a number of ways.> >> > If it comes to a vote in anywhere near the current version, I will > > vote against it.> >> > I could write a lot on this, but I will try to keep this short, and > > hopefully start a dialogue. Here is gist of my concerns:> >> > - The fact that this is a 10 page document, up from the previous 1 > > page is a first symptom. We should not need to go into things at that > > level. The people participating in our group should be sufficiently > > professional and intelligent that we do not have to do this.> >> > - As with the previous version, it sets specific, quantitative > > targets for some aspects of performance and demands 100% compliance > > or be subject to removal. This version is slightly better in that it > > gives some option for correction. But it is still relies too much on > > an automata view of process (that is, prescribed such that it could > > be implemented by a computer without human intervention).> >> > - I object to decision making delegated in such a broad way to the > > Chair and the Executive Committee (a concept that does not even exist > > in the rest of the RoP).> >> > I have no problem describing expectations and in fact I strongly > > advocate it. But writing rules such as these almost sets the > > expectations that we are going to have a lot of people in violation > > of them. We should set reasonable expectations, and in the (hopefully > > rare) cases that people are not meeting them, take effective action.> >> > If we feel that we need such detailed and rigid rules to get > > effective participation, we are not selecting the right people, and > > THAT is something that we should be addressing with the highest priority.> >> > Alan> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > ALAC mailing list> > ALAC at atlarge-lists.icann.org> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org> > ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac> >> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 21/10/2008> > 02:10 PM> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > lac-discuss-en mailing list> > lac-discuss-en at atlarge-lists.icann.org> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > > > _______________________________________________> ALAC mailing list> ALAC at atlarge-lists.icann.org> http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org> > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ALAC Working Wiki: http://st.icann.org/alac
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