[LAC-Discuss] Elections Process in LACRALO

Raul Bauer @ Trends rbauer at trends.com.ar
Mon Oct 6 14:08:19 EDT 2008


No quiero dejar de manifestar mi satisfaccion al leer el comentario de 
Jacqueline.
Realmente pensaba que estaba todo perdido.
Tal vez algo cambie y valga la pena participar.

Raul Bauer





Jacqueline A. Morris escribió:
> It's interesting.
> LACRALO hasn't had any discussion on the list about any of the issues 
> put to the ALAC for comments, such as
> Fast Flux
> RAA Amendments
> Registrar transfer activities and redemption grace period
> GNSO Improvements
> IDN Fast track for ccTLDs
> IPv6
> Domain name front running
> Geographic regions
> DNSSEC and the DNS poisoning patch
>
> But we did have a lot of discussion about the travel cutbacks and the 
> election.
> What does that say about LACRALO's interest and priorities?
>
> Jacqueline
> Carlton Samuels wrote:
>> No, I STRONGLY disagree and is unalterably opposed to re-run the 
>> elections.
>>
>> The requirements for the election process were well advertised. The
>> candidates fulfilled all the requirements. Two candidates were duly
>> nominated. One candidate withdrew BEFORE the election.  That was his
>> unfettered right.  Where I come from, the last man standing is 
>> elected and
>> returned.
>>
>> Alfa Redi exercised a right under the rules to call for a division.  I
>> personally believe that this position is not useful, especially in a
>> voluntary organization.  But I will defend to the end Alfa Redi's 
>> right to
>> invoke the rules and take it my DUTY to protect that right. 
>> We shall have a vote.   Enough already!
>>
>> Version Espanol:
>>
>> No, estoy firmemente en desacuerdo y es inalterable frente a volver a
>> ejecutar las elecciones.
>>
>> Los requisitos para el proceso electoral se anuncian así. Los candidatos
>> cumplen todos los requisitos. Dos candidatos fueron debidamente 
>> designados.
>> Uno de los candidatos se retira antes de las elecciones. Ese era su 
>> derecho
>> irrestricto. De donde yo vengo, el último hombre de pie es elegido y
>> regresó.
>>
>> Alfa Redi ejercido un derecho en virtud de las normas de convocatoria 
>> de una
>> división. Personalmente, creo que esta posición no es útil, 
>> especialmente en
>> una organización voluntaria. Pero voy a defender hasta el final Alfa 
>> Redi
>> del derecho a invocar las normas y tener a mi deber de proteger a ese
>> derecho.
>>
>> Tendremos una votación. Basta ya!
>>
>> Carlton
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Matías Altamira [mailto:matias at altamiragigena.com.ar] Sent: 
>> Wednesday, October 01, 2008 02:00 PM
>> To: 'Erick Iriarte Ahon'; 'Carlton Samuels'; 'At-Large Staff';
>> lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> Cc: 'ALAC-excom at atlarge-lists.icann.org'
>> Subject: RE: [LAC-Discuss] Elections Process in LACRALO
>>
>> Entonces vamos a votar por Carlos D. Aguirre y Sergio Salinas Porto, que
>> fueron los únicos candidatos que se presentaron en tiempo y forma.
>>
>> So we'll vote between Carlos D. Aguirre and Sergio Salinas Porto, the 
>> two
>> candidates that were duly and timely proposed.
>> Matías
>>
>> IIISI Rep.
>>
>> Matías Altamira
>> Abogado
>> ALTAMIRA GIGENA - Estudio Jurídico
>> Bv. San Juan 101 Piso 2° Of. "A" - Córdoba - Argentina
>> Tel/Fax: + 54 351 422-2057/ 428-1624
>> matias at altamiragigena.com.ar
>> www.altamiragigena.com.ar
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: lac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> [mailto:lac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Erick
>> Iriarte Ahon
>> Enviado el: Miércoles, 01 de Octubre de 2008 12:14 p.m.
>> Para: Carlton Samuels; 'At-Large Staff'; 
>> lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> CC: 'ALAC-excom at atlarge-lists.icann.org'
>> Asunto: Re: [LAC-Discuss] Elections Process in LACRALO
>>
>> My answer is yes.
>>
>> Erick
>>
>>
>> At 07:47 p.m. 30/09/2008, Carlton Samuels wrote:
>>  
>>> Dear Erick:
>>>
>>> The Secretariat is inclined to accept the recommendation of staff in 
>>> this matter.  Please say unequivocally whether you are requesting a 
>>> vote as outlined in LACRALO Rule 18.1.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Assuming you answer yes, the Secretariat request that the mechanisms 
>>> for an electronic vote be engaged within 48 hours of your 
>>> confirmation and the voting period shall be seven days duration 
>>> after expiry of that 48-hour setup time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Version Espanol:
>>>
>>> Estimado Erick:
>>> La Secretaría está dispuesta a aceptar la recomendación del personal 
>>> en este asunto. Por favor, decir de manera inequívoca si usted está 
>>> solicitando una votación como se indica en el Artículo 18.1 LacRALO.
>>>
>>> Suponiendo que responder afirmativamente, la Secretaría solicitud de 
>>> que los mecanismos para una votación electrónica se dedican dentro 
>>> de las 48 horas de su confirmación y el período de votación será de 
>>> siete días de duración después de la expiración de ese 48-horas 
>>> tiempo de
>>>     
>> instalación.
>>  
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Carlton
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: At-Large Staff [mailto:staff at atlarge.icann.org]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 01:31 AM
>>> To: Carlton Samuels
>>> Cc: carlos aguirre; José Ovidio Salgueiro A.; Atlarge Staff; 
>>> ALAC-excom at atlarge-lists.icann.org; Vanda Scartezini UOL
>>> Subject: Elections Process in LACRALO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Carlton:
>>> cc: ALAC Representatives in the LAC Region, ALAC Executive Committee
>>>
>>> As you are aware, the nominations process in LACRALO has resulted in 
>>> a single candidate who has been nominated, that being the incumbent, 
>>> Carlos Aguirre.
>>>
>>> Since one ALS has requested that a vote be held on that single 
>>> candidate, I began a research today to review the various 
>>> instruments related to LACRALO ­ MoU with ICANN, Rules of Procedure, 
>>> and Operating Principles ­ to determine what if any provision of 
>>> these requires a vote, irrespective of the number of candidatures, 
>>> or, if no vote is obligated, if the Rules of Procedure allowed any 
>>> ALS representative to
>>>     
>> request a vote.
>>  
>>> There are no related provisions in the MoU or the Operating Principles.
>>> However, there are with respect to the Rules of Procedure.
>>>
>>> Rule 18.1 allows any Member of LACRALO to invoke rules from the UNGA 
>>> Rules of Procedure, with a few exceptions.
>>>
>>> Rule 127 of the UNGA Rules provides that:
>>>
>>> (a) The General Assembly shall normally vote by show of hands or by 
>>> standing, but any representative may request a roll-call. The 
>>> roll-call shall be taken in the English alphabetical order of the 
>>> names of the members, beginning with the member whose name is drawn 
>>> by lot by the:
>>> President. The name of each member shall be called in any roll-call, 
>>> and one of its representatives shall reply “yes”, “no” or 
>>> “abstention”. The result of the voting shall be inserted in the 
>>> record in the English alphabetical order of the names of the members.
>>>
>>> (b) When the General Assembly votes by mechanical means, a 
>>> non-recorded vote shall replace a vote by show of hands or by 
>>> standing and a recorded vote shall replace a roll-call vote. Any 
>>> representative may request a recorded vote. In the case of a 
>>> recorded vote, the General Assembly shall, unless a representative 
>>> requests otherwise, dispense with the procedure of calling out the 
>>> names of the members; nevertheless, the result of the voting shall 
>>> be inserted in the record in
>>>     
>> the same manner as that of a roll-call vote.
>>  
>>> Version Espanol:
>>>
>>> a) De ordinario, las votaciones de la Asamblea General se harán 
>>> levantando la mano o poniéndose de pie, pero cualquier representante 
>>> podrá pedir votación nominal. La votación nominal se efectuará 
>>> siguiendo el orden alfabético inglés de los nombres de los miembros, 
>>> comenzando por el miembro cuyo nombre sea sacado a suerte por el 
>>> Presidente. En las votaciones nominales, se anunciará el nombre de 
>>> cada uno de los miembros y uno de sus representantes contestará 
>>> “sí”, “no” o “abstención”. El resultado de la votación se consignará 
>>> en el acta siguiendo el orden alfabético inglés de los nombres de 
>>> los miembros.
>>>
>>> b) Cuando la Asamblea General efectúe votaciones haciendo uso del 
>>> sistema mecánico, la votación no registrada sustituirá a la que se 
>>> hace levantando la mano o poniéndose de pie y la votación registrada 
>>> sustituirá a la votación nominal. Cualquier representante podrá pedir
>>>     
>> votación registrada.
>>  
>>> En las votaciones registradas, la Asamblea General prescindirá del 
>>> procedimiento de anunciar los nombres de los miembros, salvo que un 
>>> representante lo pida; no obstante, el resultado de la votación se 
>>> consignará en el acta de la misma manera que en las votaciones 
>>> nominales.
>>>
>>> In the view of the Staff, it would be a reasonable interpretation of 
>>> Alfa-Redi’s email that the Member wishes to invoke this Rule. 
>>> However, clearly the Staff cannot oblige the LACRALO Secretariat to 
>>> interpret the email in this way.
>>>
>>> Further, since we are operating virtually, were a vote to be called, 
>>> it would be held as provided in Rule 20, which modified the 
>>> operation of  Rule
>>> 12.4 of the LACRALO Ordinary Rules of Procedure, and is as follows:
>>>
>>> 20: When a Virtual Meeting of the Assembly is held, the following 
>>> Rules shall replace the original:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> 12.4 All Voting shall be conducted electronically. The Chair shall 
>>> declare the length of time during which votes shall be cast, and the 
>>> date and time of the closing of the vote. The Secretariat shall 
>>> ensure that the results of the vote, including the votes cast and by 
>>> which voter, are available to all representatives.
>>>
>>> Version Espanol:
>>>
>>> 20 Cuando se celebre una Reunión Virtual de la Asamblea, las 
>>> siguientes reglas sustituirán a los originales:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> 12.4 Todas las votaciones se realizan electrónicamente. El 
>>> Presidente declarará el tiempo durante el cual se deberán emitir los 
>>> votos, así como la fecha y la hora en que finalizará la votación. El 
>>> Secretario se encargará de que los resultados de la votación - 
>>> incluyendo los votos y de quién es el voto - estén a disposición de 
>>> todos los representantes.
>>>
>>>
>>> The primacy of the LACRALO Ordinary Rules in the case of any 
>>> conflict with the UNGA Rules is as provided in Rule 18.4 of the 
>>> LACRALO Ordinary Rules, which state:
>>>
>>> Where the UNGA Rules of Procedure are invoked through the provisions 
>>> of Rule
>>> 18.1 or 18.2, should a conflict arise between the rule or rules 
>>> invoked and these rules, these Rules shall take precedence, except 
>>> where the combination of these Rules and those invoked would result 
>>> in an impractical or unworkable process in the judgment of the Chair.
>>>
>>> Version Espanol:
>>>
>>> Si al recurrir al Reglamento de Procedimientos de la UNGA por medio 
>>> de la Regla 18.1 o 18.2, surgiese un conflicto entre las reglas a 
>>> las que se recurre y este Reglamento, este Reglamento prevalecerá, 
>>> excepto cuando la combinación de este Reglamento y las reglas a las 
>>> que se recurre den como resultado un proceso inoperante y poco 
>>> práctico a juicio
>>>     
>> del Presidente.
>>  
>>> Taking all this into account, the Staff of ICANN recommends as follows:
>>>
>>> 1) That the Secretariat ask Erick if he is requesting a vote as 
>>> provided in UNGA Rule 127 as provided under the LACRALO Ordinary 
>>> Rules of Procedure in Rule 18.1 as a point of order.  We further 
>>> suggest that the background provided in this email is given to Erick 
>>> so that he can evaluate whether or not the outcome provided by the 
>>> invocation of these Rules is what his organisation intends.
>>>
>>> If the answer is ‘Yes’, the we would further suggest that:
>>>
>>> 2) The Secretariat shall announce that an electronic vote will take 
>>> place as soon as it is possible for the Staff to set the vote up, 
>>> announce the time and date when voting shall be open, and distribute 
>>> the list of authorised voters at the same time in case there are any 
>>> amendments which members of LACRALO have forgotten to notify the 
>>> Secretariat of.  We would suggest  the voting period shall be 7 
>>> days, commencing on the date and the time at which the vote is opened.
>>>
>>> It may be useful to note that as provided in the UNGA Rules of 
>>> Procedure, as well as good practice and custom, any discussion of 
>>> the vote or the candidates is out of order from the moment that the 
>>> voting begins. The only exceptions is for points of order to be 
>>> raised to understand the voting procedures. Voting is generally 
>>> accepted as beginning from the moment a vote is called, not the 
>>> moment that voting actually begins, and only completes at the point 
>>> at which a vote has closed. Further, comments about a vote after a 
>>> vote is concluded are generally restricted to brief comments to 
>>> explain why a given member voted
>>>     
>> in one way or another.
>>  
>>> Finally, Carlos, I would imagine that you (and probably others) may 
>>> prefer the more logical outcome of being automatically returned for 
>>> a second term, however, I hope that you will agree that it is better 
>>> for everyone to feel that the Rules of Procedure are followed 
>>> completely, to avoid any question as to the legitimacy of your 
>>> election.
>>>
>>> The UNGA Rules, in English and Spanish, may be found at:
>>> https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?rules_of_procedure
>>> The LACRALO Rules, in English and Spanish, may be found at:
>>> https://st.icann.org/lacralo/index.cgi?ralo_organising_documents
>>>
>>> We are at the service of all of you in these regards.
>>> -- 
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN 
>>> At-Large Staff
>>> email: staff at atlarge.icann.org
>>>
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