[LAC-Discuss] Elections Process in LACRALO

Wed Oct 1 15:00:12 EDT 2008

Entonces vamos a votar por Carlos D. Aguirre y Sergio Salinas Porto, que
fueron los únicos candidatos que se presentaron en tiempo y forma.

So we'll vote between Carlos D. Aguirre and Sergio Salinas Porto, the two
candidates that were duly and timely proposed. 

Matías

IIISI Rep.

Matías Altamira
Abogado
ALTAMIRA GIGENA - Estudio Jurídico
Bv. San Juan 101 Piso 2° Of. "A" - Córdoba - Argentina
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-----Mensaje original-----
De: lac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
[mailto:lac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Erick
Iriarte Ahon
Enviado el: Miércoles, 01 de Octubre de 2008 12:14 p.m.
Para: Carlton Samuels; 'At-Large Staff'; lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
CC: 'ALAC-excom at atlarge-lists.icann.org'
Asunto: Re: [LAC-Discuss] Elections Process in LACRALO

My answer is yes.

Erick

At 07:47 p.m. 30/09/2008, Carlton Samuels wrote:
>Dear Erick:
>
>The Secretariat is inclined to accept the recommendation of staff in 
>this matter.  Please say unequivocally whether you are requesting a 
>vote as outlined in LACRALO Rule 18.1.
>
>
>
>Assuming you answer yes, the Secretariat request that the mechanisms 
>for an electronic vote be engaged within 48 hours of your confirmation 
>and the voting period shall be seven days duration after expiry of that 
>48-hour setup time.
>
>
>
>Version Espanol:
>
>Estimado Erick:
>La Secretaría está dispuesta a aceptar la recomendación del personal en 
>este asunto. Por favor, decir de manera inequívoca si usted está 
>solicitando una votación como se indica en el Artículo 18.1 LacRALO.
>
>Suponiendo que responder afirmativamente, la Secretaría solicitud de 
>que los mecanismos para una votación electrónica se dedican dentro de 
>las 48 horas de su confirmación y el período de votación será de siete 
>días de duración después de la expiración de ese 48-horas tiempo de
instalación.
>
>
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Carlton
>
>
>
>From: At-Large Staff [mailto:staff at atlarge.icann.org]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 01:31 AM
>To: Carlton Samuels
>Cc: carlos aguirre; José Ovidio Salgueiro A.; Atlarge Staff; 
>ALAC-excom at atlarge-lists.icann.org; Vanda Scartezini UOL
>Subject: Elections Process in LACRALO
>
>
>
>Dear Carlton:
>cc: ALAC Representatives in the LAC Region, ALAC Executive Committee
>
>As you are aware, the nominations process in LACRALO has resulted in a 
>single candidate who has been nominated, that being the incumbent, 
>Carlos Aguirre.
>
>Since one ALS has requested that a vote be held on that single 
>candidate, I began a research today to review the various instruments 
>related to LACRALO  MoU with ICANN, Rules of Procedure, and Operating 
>Principles  to determine what if any provision of these requires a 
>vote, irrespective of the number of candidatures, or, if no vote is 
>obligated, if the Rules of Procedure allowed any ALS representative to
request a vote.
>
>There are no related provisions in the MoU or the Operating Principles.
>However, there are with respect to the Rules of Procedure.
>
>Rule 18.1 allows any Member of LACRALO to invoke rules from the UNGA 
>Rules of Procedure, with a few exceptions.
>
>Rule 127 of the UNGA Rules provides that:
>
>(a) The General Assembly shall normally vote by show of hands or by 
>standing, but any representative may request a roll-call. The roll-call 
>shall be taken in the English alphabetical order of the names of the 
>members, beginning with the member whose name is drawn by lot by the:
>President. The name of each member shall be called in any roll-call, 
>and one of its representatives shall reply “yes”, “no” or “abstention”. 
>The result of the voting shall be inserted in the record in the English 
>alphabetical order of the names of the members.
>
>(b) When the General Assembly votes by mechanical means, a non-recorded 
>vote shall replace a vote by show of hands or by standing and a 
>recorded vote shall replace a roll-call vote. Any representative may 
>request a recorded vote. In the case of a recorded vote, the General 
>Assembly shall, unless a representative requests otherwise, dispense 
>with the procedure of calling out the names of the members; 
>nevertheless, the result of the voting shall be inserted in the record in
the same manner as that of a roll-call vote.
>
>Version Espanol:
>
>a) De ordinario, las votaciones de la Asamblea General se harán 
>levantando la mano o poniéndose de pie, pero cualquier representante 
>podrá pedir votación nominal. La votación nominal se efectuará 
>siguiendo el orden alfabético inglés de los nombres de los miembros, 
>comenzando por el miembro cuyo nombre sea sacado a suerte por el 
>Presidente. En las votaciones nominales, se anunciará el nombre de cada 
>uno de los miembros y uno de sus representantes contestará “sí”, “no” o 
>“abstención”. El resultado de la votación se consignará en el acta 
>siguiendo el orden alfabético inglés de los nombres de los miembros.
>
>b) Cuando la Asamblea General efectúe votaciones haciendo uso del 
>sistema mecánico, la votación no registrada sustituirá a la que se hace 
>levantando la mano o poniéndose de pie y la votación registrada 
>sustituirá a la votación nominal. Cualquier representante podrá pedir
votación registrada.
>En las votaciones registradas, la Asamblea General prescindirá del 
>procedimiento de anunciar los nombres de los miembros, salvo que un 
>representante lo pida; no obstante, el resultado de la votación se 
>consignará en el acta de la misma manera que en las votaciones nominales.
>
>In the view of the Staff, it would be a reasonable interpretation of 
>Alfa-Redi’s email that the Member wishes to invoke this Rule. However, 
>clearly the Staff cannot oblige the LACRALO Secretariat to interpret 
>the email in this way.
>
>Further, since we are operating virtually, were a vote to be called, it 
>would be held as provided in Rule 20, which modified the operation of  
>Rule
>12.4 of the LACRALO Ordinary Rules of Procedure, and is as follows:
>
>20: When a Virtual Meeting of the Assembly is held, the following Rules 
>shall replace the original:
>
>[...]
>
>12.4 All Voting shall be conducted electronically. The Chair shall 
>declare the length of time during which votes shall be cast, and the 
>date and time of the closing of the vote. The Secretariat shall ensure 
>that the results of the vote, including the votes cast and by which 
>voter, are available to all representatives.
>
>Version Espanol:
>
>20 Cuando se celebre una Reunión Virtual de la Asamblea, las siguientes 
>reglas sustituirán a los originales:
>
>[...]
>
>12.4 Todas las votaciones se realizan electrónicamente. El Presidente 
>declarará el tiempo durante el cual se deberán emitir los votos, así 
>como la fecha y la hora en que finalizará la votación. El Secretario se 
>encargará de que los resultados de la votación - incluyendo los votos y 
>de quién es el voto - estén a disposición de todos los representantes.
>
>
>The primacy of the LACRALO Ordinary Rules in the case of any conflict 
>with the UNGA Rules is as provided in Rule 18.4 of the LACRALO Ordinary 
>Rules, which state:
>
>Where the UNGA Rules of Procedure are invoked through the provisions of 
>Rule
>18.1 or 18.2, should a conflict arise between the rule or rules invoked 
>and these rules, these Rules shall take precedence, except where the 
>combination of these Rules and those invoked would result in an 
>impractical or unworkable process in the judgment of the Chair.
>
>Version Espanol:
>
>Si al recurrir al Reglamento de Procedimientos de la UNGA por medio de 
>la Regla 18.1 o 18.2, surgiese un conflicto entre las reglas a las que 
>se recurre y este Reglamento, este Reglamento prevalecerá, excepto 
>cuando la combinación de este Reglamento y las reglas a las que se 
>recurre den como resultado un proceso inoperante y poco práctico a juicio
del Presidente.
>
>Taking all this into account, the Staff of ICANN recommends as follows:
>
>1) That the Secretariat ask Erick if he is requesting a vote as 
>provided in UNGA Rule 127 as provided under the LACRALO Ordinary Rules 
>of Procedure in Rule 18.1 as a point of order.  We further suggest that 
>the background provided in this email is given to Erick so that he can 
>evaluate whether or not the outcome provided by the invocation of these 
>Rules is what his organisation intends.
>
>If the answer is ‘Yes’, the we would further suggest that:
>
>2) The Secretariat shall announce that an electronic vote will take 
>place as soon as it is possible for the Staff to set the vote up, 
>announce the time and date when voting shall be open, and distribute 
>the list of authorised voters at the same time in case there are any 
>amendments which members of LACRALO have forgotten to notify the 
>Secretariat of.  We would suggest  the voting period shall be 7 days, 
>commencing on the date and the time at which the vote is opened.
>
>It may be useful to note that as provided in the UNGA Rules of 
>Procedure, as well as good practice and custom, any discussion of the 
>vote or the candidates is out of order from the moment that the voting 
>begins. The only exceptions is for points of order to be raised to 
>understand the voting procedures. Voting is generally accepted as 
>beginning from the moment a vote is called, not the moment that voting 
>actually begins, and only completes at the point at which a vote has 
>closed. Further, comments about a vote after a vote is concluded are 
>generally restricted to brief comments to explain why a given member voted
in one way or another.
>
>Finally, Carlos, I would imagine that you (and probably others) may 
>prefer the more logical outcome of being automatically returned for a 
>second term, however, I hope that you will agree that it is better for 
>everyone to feel that the Rules of Procedure are followed completely, 
>to avoid any question as to the legitimacy of your election.
>
>The UNGA Rules, in English and Spanish, may be found at:
>https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?rules_of_procedure
>The LACRALO Rules, in English and Spanish, may be found at:
>https://st.icann.org/lacralo/index.cgi?ralo_organising_documents
>
>We are at the service of all of you in these regards.
>--
>Regards,
>
>Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large 
>Staff
>email: staff at atlarge.icann.org
>
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