[LAC-Discuss] "Conflict of Interest"?

Thu Oct 2 02:22:09 EDT 2008

Brothers and Sisters, Folks

On behalf on DevNet I must say that discussions on this matter and related
issues have taken what in our opinion is a rather ugly turn. It is this kind
of useless bickering in both our regions that has hindered our advancement
in the past and unfortunately continues to do in the present. Let us not
make more this complicated that it actually is. Jacqueline is right. Every
ALS has a right to nominate and elect whomever they wish. Certainly there
may be some healthy jockeying and horse trading for votes but it should
remain exactly and only that. Nothing more. 

LACRALO was founded based on a fundamental concern that the policies and
practices of ICANN are not reaching the constituencies that many of us
represent. We surely have too much work to do in pursuance of our mandate to
be getting involved in this kind of degenerative activity. Let us move on.
There have been nominations, acceptance of those nominations and I believe
now a time period for ALSs to cast their vote. Let us do so and get about
our primary business. Again, let us move on.

Lance, Chairman, DevNet 

Lance Hinds 
Chief Technology Officer
BrainStreet Technologies 
Georgetown, Guyana 
(592) 231-6530
www.brainstreetlearning.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: lac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
[mailto:lac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jacqueline
A. Morris
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 6:54 PM
To: Andres Piazza
Cc: lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
Subject: Re: [LAC-Discuss] "Conflict of Interest"?

Hi Andres

In this case it isn't just one voice, as I agree with the perception of 
the lack of democracy and transparency in this election - I have 
indicated as such to Carlton and others privately, as well as in 
discussions with my ALS but as I am not the rep to LACRALO for my ALS, I 
didn't bring it up on the public list.

Every ALS has every right to nominate who they want to represent them at 
LACRALO, and if Alfa Redi has indicated Erick to be the rep, then who 
are we to say that they cannot have the person that they want 
representing them? I can see that extended to all sorts of reasons for 
other ALSes in LACRALO to interfere in internal ALS business for all 
sorts of local and regional political reasons. A very slippery slope.
There are MANY ALSes that are also ccTLD managers or otherwise involved 
in ccTLD business. There are also many ALSes whose representatives to 
the RALOs are directly employed by internet businesses - ISPs, 
registrars, etc. Should they all be banned from participating?
Just because the opinions offered differ from the mainstream, does not 
indicate to me that the users interests are not being advocated by 
AlfaRedi and its rep to LACRALO. If an ALS thinks that its rep is not 
seeking the users interests, it is up to them to deal with it internally 
and if necessary, replace the rep by their own internal processes.
LACRALO has very specific rules to validate an ALS, and there are no 
rules to validate who they choose as their rep. alfaRedi has done 
nothing to cause their status as an ALS to be revoked, and any 
discussion on this is IMO totally out of order.

Jacqueline

Andres Piazza wrote:
> Dear All, 
>  
> I will like to share some thoughts with you. When I was reading Erik´s
mails and, specially his last request I had a strange feeling. It is public
his position as Executive Director of LACTLD and his current job in that
institution which gathers and represents the interest of the entities who
administrates ccTLD in the countries of the regions (some comercial, some
governamental).
>  
> Despite he said in his previous e-mail that he was talking as Alfa Redi´s
Representative in LACRALO and not as LACTLD Director, that position didn´t
convinced me at all. I´m aware that ALFA REDI is a Civil Society
Organization, making activities in the region an somehow "representing"
individual users. I can say that no doubt Alfa Redi as an organization
deserves to be recognized as an ALS´s. 
>  
> But also, every starting law student should know that the idea of
"Conflict of Interest" is possible talking about persons or organizations. I
know it is perfectly right to be a multi-task person and to work in civil
society and to businnes at the same time. I´m also like that and many other
LACRALO members are. But is different being involved in "Non Comercial
Activities" that being at the same time, in the same or strongly related
issues, and in the same exact region the voice of Businnes and also of
users. 
>  
> The point of having User´s Representatives is to listen and taking in
consideration the imput of the "weak part", the voice and the special
interest of the users. Perhaps users opinion in some moment would be the
same that Businnes opinion. But to let the possibility to be different is
the reason which justifies the existence of both spaces. 
>  
> Moreover, when we have discussions with only once voice in the complete
opposite direction that the whole users in the region, and that voice is
(casuality?) from one of the leaders of other "Group of Interets", it makes
me a lot of noise in my head. We should, no doubt, allow Alfa Redi to
continue in LACRALO. But, should we allow the LACTLD´s Executive Director to
be pretending to represent users interest when it is obvious that he
doesn´t? Y strongly believe that we must not !
>  
> Finally, as I consider myself a plural and democratic person and also as I
wan´t LACRALO to still being a Plural, Wide and Democratic space, I ask
everyone else the opinion.
>  
> Warm Regards,
>  
> Andrés
>  
> ps: Plus, and strictly personally, I miss the (short) time when AR used to
make interesting contributions to the users view in LACRALO (and miss
Ruddy).   
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are.  Start here.
> http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008
> _______________________________________________
> LAC-Discuss mailing list
> LAC-Discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic
ann.org
>
> Homepage for the region: http://www.lacralo.org
>
> Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to the
list are more accurate:
http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a
nexo1
>   

_______________________________________________
LAC-Discuss mailing list
LAC-Discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic
ann.org

Homepage for the region: http://www.lacralo.org

Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to the list
are more accurate:
http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a
nexo1