[LAC-Discuss] RES: FW: Forthcoming LACRALO GA

[Andres Piazza]

Estimados Colegas de LACRALO y ALAC
 
Estoy de acuerdo con las palabras vertidas anteriormente en esta lista.  
 
Me consta que el documento y el trabajo realizado por ALAC (y particularmente por los integrantes latinoamericanos) en la reunión de Paris, es de las mejores producciones que se hayan visto.
 
Las causas son justamente el proceso que se viene desarrollando en at large desde hace unos años, que se encuentra en etapa de consolidación. El aporte de los usuarios no debe ser simbólico y una mera herramienta de legitimación por parte de ICANN para mostrar como bandera al exterior.
 
Si ICANN quiere ser una organización internacional y no un mero elemento del gobierno norteamericano, debe profundizar con su política de apoyo a la comunidad de usuarios (y también a los espacios como NCUC y GAC). 
 
En caso contrario, la voz de los usuarios (potenciada en estos tiempos) deberá ser fuerte y clara. Hagamosla oir!Cuando Nick haga las consideraciones que prometió, manifiesto mi absoluta predisposicion para elaborar un documento de LACRALO en Español y Portugues (que pueda traducirse al ingles también).
 
Saludos
Andrés Piazza
> From: hfernandez at hfernandezdelpech.com.ar> To: jsalgueiro at cantv.net; vanda at uol.com.br; carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm; jam at jacquelinemorris.com; cveraq at gmail.com; info at internautabrasil.org; presidencia at internauta.org.ar; andrespiazzagpj at hotmail.com; carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com; ABAS at marval.com.ar> CC: lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [LAC-Discuss] RES: FW: Forthcoming LACRALO GA> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:27:03 -0300> > Estimados> La Asociación de Derecho Informático de Argentina (ADIAR) ha sido > certificada hace poco tiempo por lo que no hemos tenido oportunidad de > participar en vuestras discusiones, y recién ahora estamos tomando > conocimiento de los temas que están tratando.> Pese a ello nos adherimos a todo lo expresado por Uds. en estos últimos > días, y nos ponemos a vuestra disposición para colaborar en cualquier tarea > en que crean podamos, como organización, o personalmente yo, colorar con > ustedes.> cordialmente> Dr. Horacio Fernandez Delpech> Presidente de la Asociación de Derecho Informatico de Argentina (ADIAR)> hfernandez at hfernandezdelpech.com.ar> www.hfernandezdelpech.com.ar> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "José Ovidio Salgueiro A." <jsalgueiro at cantv.net>> To: <vanda at uol.com.br>; "'Carlton Samuels'" > <carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm>; <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>> Cc: "'LAC Discuss'" <lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 2:59 PM> Subject: Re: [LAC-Discuss] RES: FW: Forthcoming LACRALO GA> > > > Estoy de acuerdo en hacer una protesta formal. Si vemos que para reducir > > gastos pretenden que solamente la mitad de los miembros de ALAC estén > > presentes en cada meeting se vislumbra claramente que no somos tomados en > > cuenta y que solo estamos ahí para figurar y para que ICANN pretenda > > mostrar que se toma en cuenta la posición de los usuarios.> >> > Tenemos que estar claros en una cosa, las ALSs no deberían rogar a ICANN > > para lo que refiere a realizar su Asamblea General. ICANN nos llamó a > > nosotros los usuarios a participar y esa es la razón por la cual estamos > > participando.> >> > Ejemplo claro es el documento que señala Carlos que fue elaborado en el > > meeting de Paris. Todo ALAC estuvo de acuerdo, Todos los miembros de ALAC > > lo aprobaron y hasta se dijo que era de los documentos mas importantes que > > ALAC había producido y sin embargo, un día después de presentarlo el Board > > tomó una decisión contraria. Esto no hace sino evidenciar que la decisión > > estaba tomada previamente y que los usuarios solo somos parte de la > > comparsa.> >> >> >> >> >> >> > José Ovidio Salgueiro A.> > jsalgueiro at cantv.net> >> >> > -----Mensaje original-----> > De: lac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > [mailto:lac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Vanda > > Scartezini UOL> > Enviado el: martes, 05 de agosto de 2008 11:05 a.m.> > Para: 'Carlton Samuels'; jam at jacquelinemorris.com> > CC: 'LAC Discuss'> > Asunto: [LAC-Discuss] RES: FW: Forthcoming LACRALO GA> >> > I do believe RALOs should make a formal protest and post it. My suggestion > > is a more philosophical approach which makes more repercussion around the > > ICANN community than just complain about it - just complain may be just > > ignored by other community member as a "one more complain from at large > > group blablabla."> > By philosophical approach I mean analyzing the propaganda and the reality > > when it is about the general community. Talking about ICANN values - its > > mission etc.> > I am not a native English person to help that much, but I can exchange > > some ideas if the other are interested .> > rgs> >> >> > Vanda Scartezini> > Polo Consultores Associados> > Alameda Santos 1470 #1407> > Tel - +55113266.6253> > Mob- +55118181.1464> > vanda at uol.com.br> >  Before print think about the Environment> > "The information contained in this message - and attached files - is > > restricted, and its confidentiality protected by law. If you are not the > > intended recipient, please delete this message and notify the sender > > immediately. Please be advised that the improper use of the aforementioned > > information will create grounds for legal action."> >> > "As informações existentes nesta mensagem e nos arquivos anexados são para > > uso restrito, com sigilo protegido por lei. Caso não seja o destinatário, > > favor apagar esta mensagem e notificar o remetente. O uso impróprio das > > informações desta mensagem será tratado conforme a legislação em vigor."> >> >> > -----Mensagem original-----> > De: lac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org > > [mailto:lac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Carlton > > Samuels> > Enviada em: terça-feira, 5 de agosto de 2008 12:17> > Para: jam at jacquelinemorris.com> > Cc: 'LAC Discuss'> > Assunto: Re: [LAC-Discuss] FW: Forthcoming LACRALO GA> >> > Seems to me that ICANN is reneging on its obligations and yes, we should > > at> > least protest. It would be preferable that we sign-on to one powerful> > statement from the RALOS to ICANN.> >> > Quite frankly, the At-Large organization remains the 'fig leaf' ICANN > > offers> > the world that the opinions of others than the USG is of value so it is in> > their interest. And while it is slick propaganda, they would be shooting> > themselves in the foot to be seen as undermining the work and role of the> > At-Large, which is exactly what this is.> >> > Avri Doria has an interesting twist to this on the Governance list and > > that> > has always been where I am: ICANN is and remains an American corporation> > with the outlook and sensitivities of an American corporation and will> > remain so in the foreseeable future. All we are doing is to temper its> > behaviour.> >> > Carlton> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam at jacquelinemorris.com]> > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 09:29 AM> > To: Carlton Samuels> > Cc: 'LAC Discuss'> > Subject: Re: [LAC-Discuss] FW: Forthcoming LACRALO GA> >> > Hi> > NARALO has indicated the following information with regard to the ICANN> > travel policy, so there may be repercussions for the LACRALO GA> > (specifically note the item 3):> > See below> > Jacqueline> >> > Hi all,> >> >> >> > During the meetings in Paris is came to light that the Board put through a> > resolution to reduce ALAC’s travel. This was slipped through and didn’t> > even follow the wording in the “Draft Travel Support Procedure” document > > of> > May 22, 2008. We owe a huge THANK YOU to Alan Greenberg for catching this> > as neither Evan nor I nor the rest of the ALAC caught this when it > > happened.> > The affects of these cuts to the ALAC travel would mean:> >> >> >> > 1. Only ½ of the ALAC would be funded for travel for meetings – the> > rest would have to self-fund> > 2. No Secretariats or Chairs attending meetings> > 3. No travel support for ALSs to attend regional meetings.> >> >> >> > Therefore, it was decided during the last NARALO telephone conference that> > we convene a mini-WG (comprised of Gareth Shearman, Evan and myself) to > > come> > up with a formal response. We have drafted the attached document. Please> > have a look at this ASAP and get back to us (on or before Friday, August > > 8,> > 2008) with any changes or additions you might like OR stating that you do> > not support it at all (as we must have consensus).> >> >> >> > Thank you,> >> >> >> > D> > "> >> >> >> > Carlton Samuels wrote:> >> Dear All:> >> Herewith, a updated draft budget for the proposed LACRALO GA. We will> >> still need to come up with a new date. Do remember that there is an> > ICANN> >> meeting in March 2009 at Mexico City. And as the tradition goes, the> >> regional meetings is sponsored for that time as well. This is also the> > time> >> for the proposed At-Large Summit so we could expect a full turnout of ALS> >> from the region.> >>> >> Kind regards,> >> Carlton> >>> >> From: Frederic Teboul [mailto:frederic.teboul at icann.org]> >> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:44 PM> >> To: Carlton Samuels> >> Subject: Forthcoming LACRALO GA> >>> >> Dear Carlton,> >>> >> As promised, please find enclosed the updated budget proposal for a> > LACRALO> >> GA.> >>> >> Many thanks and best regards,> >>> >> Frederic> >>> >>> >> Frederic E. Teboul, Ph.D., MBA> >> Manager for At-Large Regional Affairs> >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)> >> Phone Number: +33 6 3487 0575 (France) & +1 310 578 8642 (USA)> >> Email: frederic.teboul at icann.org> >> AIM/iSight: frederic.teboul at mac.com> >> Jabber: frederic.teboul at jabber.icann.org> >> Skype: frederic.teboul> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> LAC-Discuss mailing list> >> LAC-Discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org> >>> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss_atlarge-lists.ic> > ann.org> >>> >> Homepage for the region: http://www.lacralo.org> >>> >> Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to the> > list are more accurate:> > http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#a> > nexo1> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > LAC-Discuss mailing list> > LAC-Discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > Homepage for the region: http://www.lacralo.org> >> > Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to the > > list are more accurate: > > http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#anexo1> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > LAC-Discuss mailing list> > LAC-Discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > Homepage for the region: http://www.lacralo.org> >> > Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to the > > list are more accurate: > > http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#anexo1> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > LAC-Discuss mailing list> > LAC-Discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > Homepage for the region: http://www.lacralo.org> >> > Posting guidelines to ensure machine translations of emails sent to the > > list are more accurate: > > http://www.funredes.org/mistica/english/emec/method_emec/presentation.html#anexo1 > 
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