[LAC-Discuss] RES: FW: Forthcoming LACRALO GA

Wed Aug 6 14:27:03 EDT 2008

Estimados
La Asociación de Derecho Informático de Argentina (ADIAR) ha sido 
certificada hace poco tiempo por lo que no hemos tenido oportunidad de 
participar en vuestras discusiones, y recién ahora estamos tomando 
conocimiento de los temas que están tratando.
Pese a ello nos adherimos a todo lo expresado por Uds. en estos últimos 
días, y nos ponemos a vuestra disposición para colaborar en cualquier tarea 
en que crean podamos, como organización, o personalmente yo, colorar con 
ustedes.
cordialmente
Dr. Horacio Fernandez Delpech
Presidente de la Asociación de Derecho Informatico de Argentina (ADIAR)
hfernandez at hfernandezdelpech.com.ar
www.hfernandezdelpech.com.ar

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "José Ovidio Salgueiro A." <jsalgueiro at cantv.net>
To: <vanda at uol.com.br>; "'Carlton Samuels'" 
<carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm>; <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>
Cc: "'LAC Discuss'" <lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [LAC-Discuss] RES: FW: Forthcoming LACRALO GA

> Estoy de acuerdo en hacer una protesta formal. Si vemos que para reducir 
> gastos pretenden que solamente la mitad de los miembros de ALAC estén 
> presentes en cada meeting se vislumbra claramente que no somos tomados en 
> cuenta y que solo estamos ahí para figurar y para que ICANN pretenda 
> mostrar que se toma en cuenta la posición de los usuarios.
>
> Tenemos que estar claros en una cosa, las ALSs no deberían rogar a ICANN 
> para lo que refiere a realizar su Asamblea General. ICANN nos llamó a 
> nosotros los usuarios a participar y esa es la razón por la cual estamos 
> participando.
>
> Ejemplo claro es el documento que señala Carlos que fue elaborado en el 
> meeting de Paris. Todo ALAC estuvo de acuerdo, Todos los miembros de ALAC 
> lo aprobaron y hasta se dijo que era de los documentos mas importantes que 
> ALAC había producido y sin embargo, un día después de presentarlo el Board 
> tomó una decisión contraria. Esto no hace sino evidenciar que la decisión 
> estaba tomada previamente y que los usuarios solo somos parte de la 
> comparsa.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> José Ovidio Salgueiro A.
> jsalgueiro at cantv.net
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: lac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
> [mailto:lac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Vanda 
> Scartezini UOL
> Enviado el: martes, 05 de agosto de 2008 11:05 a.m.
> Para: 'Carlton Samuels'; jam at jacquelinemorris.com
> CC: 'LAC Discuss'
> Asunto: [LAC-Discuss] RES: FW: Forthcoming LACRALO GA
>
> I do believe RALOs should make a formal protest and post it. My suggestion 
> is a more philosophical approach which makes more repercussion around the 
> ICANN community than just complain about it - just complain may be just 
> ignored by other community member as a "one more complain from at large 
> group blablabla."
> By philosophical approach I mean analyzing the propaganda and the reality 
> when it is about the general community. Talking about ICANN values - its 
> mission etc.
> I am not a native English person to help that much, but I can exchange 
> some ideas if the other are interested .
> rgs
>
>
> Vanda Scartezini
> Polo Consultores Associados
> Alameda Santos 1470 #1407
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> Mob- +55118181.1464
> vanda at uol.com.br
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> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: lac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
> [mailto:lac-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Carlton 
> Samuels
> Enviada em: terça-feira, 5 de agosto de 2008 12:17
> Para: jam at jacquelinemorris.com
> Cc: 'LAC Discuss'
> Assunto: Re: [LAC-Discuss] FW: Forthcoming LACRALO GA
>
> Seems to me that ICANN is reneging on its obligations and yes, we should 
> at
> least protest.  It would be preferable that we sign-on to one powerful
> statement from the RALOS to ICANN.
>
> Quite frankly, the At-Large organization remains the 'fig leaf' ICANN 
> offers
> the world that the opinions of others than the USG is of value so it is in
> their interest. And while it is slick propaganda, they would be shooting
> themselves in the foot to be seen as undermining the work and role of the
> At-Large, which is exactly what this is.
>
> Avri Doria has an interesting twist to this on the Governance list and 
> that
> has always been where I am: ICANN is and remains an American corporation
> with the outlook and sensitivities of an American corporation and will
> remain so in the foreseeable future.  All we are doing is to temper its
> behaviour.
>
> Carlton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam at jacquelinemorris.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 09:29 AM
> To: Carlton Samuels
> Cc: 'LAC Discuss'
> Subject: Re: [LAC-Discuss] FW: Forthcoming LACRALO GA
>
> Hi
> NARALO has indicated the following information with regard to the ICANN
> travel policy, so there may be repercussions for the LACRALO GA
> (specifically note the item 3):
> See below
> Jacqueline
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> During the meetings in Paris is came to light that the Board put through a
> resolution to reduce ALAC’s travel.  This was slipped through and didn’t
> even follow the wording in the “Draft Travel Support Procedure” document 
> of
> May 22, 2008.  We owe a huge THANK YOU to Alan Greenberg for catching this
> as neither Evan nor I nor the rest of the ALAC caught this when it 
> happened.
> The affects of these cuts to the ALAC travel would mean:
>
>
>
> 1. Only ½ of the ALAC would be funded for travel for meetings – the
> rest would have to self-fund
> 2. No Secretariats or Chairs attending meetings
> 3. No travel support for ALSs to attend regional meetings.
>
>
>
> Therefore, it was decided during the last NARALO telephone conference that
> we convene a mini-WG (comprised of Gareth Shearman, Evan and myself) to 
> come
> up with a formal response.  We have drafted the attached document.  Please
> have a look at this ASAP and get back to us (on or before Friday, August 
> 8,
> 2008) with any changes or additions you might like OR stating that you do
> not support it at all (as we must have consensus).
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> D
> "
>
>
>
> Carlton Samuels wrote:
>> Dear All:
>> Herewith, a updated draft budget for the proposed LACRALO GA.   We will
>> still need to come up with a new date.   Do remember that there is an
> ICANN
>> meeting in March 2009 at Mexico City.  And as the tradition goes, the
>> regional meetings is sponsored for that time as well. This is also the
> time
>> for the proposed At-Large Summit so we could expect a full turnout of ALS
>> from the region.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Carlton
>>
>> From: Frederic Teboul [mailto:frederic.teboul at icann.org]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:44 PM
>> To: Carlton Samuels
>> Subject: Forthcoming LACRALO GA
>>
>> Dear Carlton,
>>
>> As promised, please find enclosed the updated budget proposal for a
> LACRALO
>> GA.
>>
>> Many thanks and best regards,
>>
>> Frederic
>>
>>
>> Frederic E. Teboul, Ph.D., MBA
>> Manager for At-Large Regional Affairs
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>> Phone Number: +33 6 3487 0575 (France) & +1 310 578 8642 (USA)
>> Email: frederic.teboul at icann.org
>> AIM/iSight: frederic.teboul at mac.com
>> Jabber: frederic.teboul at jabber.icann.org
>> Skype: frederic.teboul
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