[LAC-Discuss] Propuesta

rmedina at alfa-redi.org rmedina at alfa-redi.org
Mon Mar 31 10:29:26 EDT 2008


Dear Carlton:
Estima Carlton:

Just to clarify, the mail is ISOC Argentina and Alfa Redi, not  
Sebastian or Erick. It is important to remember that.

Solo para aclarar, el correo de propuesta es de ISOC Argentina y Alfa  
Redi como instituciones, no de Sebastian o Erick como personas  
indivuduales. Es importante recordar eso.

Regards,
Saludos,

Ruddy Medina
Alfa-redi

Carlton Samuels escribió:
> Dear Sebastian:
> The posting from Erick and you highlights one of the major challenges of
> LACRALO ? the matter of language.   In fact, the Spanish-only post
> highlights what has happened to our Spanish-only speakers in most of ICANN?s
> deliberations until quite recent; they were underserved and marginalised,
> which affects their interest and capability to participate.  With regard to
> LACRALO business, it also marginalizes, perhaps without the intent,
> English-only speakers.   I can at least go along for a bit, with the help of
> my daughter.  I'm very conscious that an English-only response from the
> Secretariat may not reach all of the constituency you so eloquently
> addressed.
>  Providing the tools for LACRALO participation is the responsibility of
> ICANN.  And without a doubt, the At-Large staff has grown around us to the
> task and from inception, worked very hard indeed to support us. Some support
> initiatives - like the translated discussion list - have not met
> expectations.  But I cannot but commend them on what has transpired so far.
> Since July 2006, wikis, calendars and other work tools are now available to
> the community where there were none before. The initiative to rationalize
> the websites and provide even more channels and tools for self-expression is
> evolving at this very moment and will be very useful to need for regional
> self-expression. There is now even a policy position that allows linkages to
> blogs from ICANN websites; Erick and you should find this development of
> particular interest. What is clear is that what is considered the At-Large
> community in LAC has expanded significantly from the 3 or so persons that
> 'represented' the region prior to 2007.  We know this is not a development
> that has pleased all of us.  But without a doubt, progress is being made.
>  Yes, LACRALO should have a work agenda in regard to ICANN?s business. And it
> does: that agenda is guided by ALAC's business.  And ALAC is the recognized
> conduit for At-Large input to the ICANN policy-making process. ALAC's agenda
> is a consensus agenda developed by way of a multi-channel process of
> interactions. At its most discreet stage, LACRALO has the right and
> capability to impact this agenda thru the input of our elected
> representatives to ALAC; Carlos Dionisio Aguirre and Jose Ovidio
> Salgueiro. If they are not going to become ?loose cannons? or 'seeing-eye
> dogs', they need the input of *our community*.  Our community is the
> constituent ALS of LAC and other interested parties that subscribe to the
> MOU Principles we signed with ICANN.
>
> Matters for discussion come to our attention by several routes: reports from
> ALAC meetings provided by our ALAC representatives, staff reports on
> particular issues, postings from individual members on matters of individual
> interest that might become the group's interest. Every ALS in LACRALO has
> the ability to influence the representation of the region in ALAC by
> contributing to a consensus on any subject being discussed in ALAC by
> participating in discussion on the electronic discussion list.  
> Participation implies knowledge.  Or the means to acquire that  
> knowledge.
> You get that by reading widely and often, talking to others with more
> knowledge than yourself. This is what the discussion list and links to web
> pages is intended to do.  Yes, this may not be the *best* system for LAC
> because of the twin burdens of our history and culture; we love the
> face-to-face harangue and the cuadillo-style approach to leadership.   Only
> 6 or so of the 27 constituent ALS can be counted as ever participating in
> discussions.  Bluntly speaking, it is not the business of the Secretariat to
> gin up participation.  And I personally reject this malignant propensity to
> be either a priest or caudillo to effect ?voluntary? participation.
>  We acknowledge that language support is a major expense in the conduct of
> international business even as we are unanimous that this remains the
> responsibility of ICANN.  I can assure you that this Secretariat does not
> have resources to provide language support.
>
> Despite the language support failings, I do not share your sense of  
> loss. This work assumes a cadre of committed, well-read  
> independent-thinking and
> enthusiastic volunteers.  In other words, it is not intended to be an
> organization of blind, uninformed volunteers led by a seeing-eye  
> dog. Members *must* take the time to inform themselves of the issues  
> under
> discussion.  These issues are communicated, albeit with language challenges
> to overcome.  It is for members to *decide* what is important and pass it
> along to our ALAC representatives filtered thru the discussion list.   The
> Secretariat cannot and may not impose our view on any matter on others. We
> are equally certain we would reject any attempt by anyone to impose a view
> on LACRALO to which the Secretariat objects or find repugnant to the
> principles under which we operate. We want to see LACRALO evolve into a
> community of equals that can contribute, each and everyone.  The  
> mechanisms to make change to any of structure is available and  
> should be
> known by now.  And if and when the community decides, then that will be time
> enough.   Kind regards,
> Carlton
>
>
> From: Sebastian Ricciardi [mailto:sricciardi at fibertel.com.ar] Sent:  
> Wednesday, March 26, 2008 12:20 PM
> To: lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Cc: 'Carlton Samuels'; 'Nick Ashton-Hart'; kieren.mccarthy at icann.org
> Subject: Propuesta
>
> Estimados Miembros de la LAC-RALO:
>  Las organizaciones que suscriben la presente,  remiten el siguiente aporte
> en relación  al funcionamiento de la LAC-RALO y  la gestión de diálogos para
> formación de consensos en el seno de la misma, esperando que sean bien
> recogidas, y contribuyan a generar una verdadera participación informada y
> estructurada de los usuarios de Internet en el proceso de desarrollo de
> políticas de ICANN.
>  1)      El mecanismo establecido del Secretariado  debe  ser fortalecido de
> modo tal que sea un generador permanente de espacios de
> dialogo (digitales/telefónicos/presenciales), y fortalezca la  
> discusión, dentro de la  LAC-RALO, las ALSs y entre sus
> integrantes, de las principales cuestiones que se debaten dentro de
> ICANN.  Es necesario contar con un cronograma claro de asuntos para estudiar
> y tratar, y establecer una serie de comunicaciones periódicas entre la
> LACRALO y el ALAC, más allá de la buena voluntad y predisposición de quienes
> han puesto su mejor empeño en cumplir con el mandato otorgado por la RALO.
>  En pos de estos objetivos, proponemos la siguiente línea de acción:
>  a. propuesta de tema de dialogo, que deberá  acompañarse de un resumen del
> estado del arte del  tema, anexo de documentos relevantes, e indicaciones
> acerca de donde obtener mayor información.
>  b. generación de dialogo a través de preguntas claves y encuestas, así como
> apertura a diálogos temáticos especializados, quizás a través de grupos de
> trabajo específicos.
>  c. establecimiento de un calendario de trabajo (inicio, fechas, fin)
>  d. presentación de resultados.
>  Esta dinámica no debería ser concatenada tema por tema,  sino que busca
> llevarse en paralelo siguiendo las  pautas antes indicadas para ahorrar
> tiempo y energía, entendiendo que tanto la labor del  Secretariado como la
> de los diversos actores de las ALS se realiza en forma voluntaria.
>  De igual manera creemos que en un futuro a determinar, sería deseable  que
> el Secretariado sea asumido por una institución o individuo que pueda
> brindar la tarea permanente  de acercar la información a las ALS, tanto
> en  ingles como en español sin que dependa de la  traducción automática de
> instrumentos digitales.
>  Finalmente, sería deseable contar con reportes bimestrales por parte del
> Secretariado, que sea útiles para hacer seguimiento a los temas
> pendientes, temas en curso, prospectiva de nuevos temas, etc.
>
> Cordialmente,
>  ISOC.Ar
> Alfa Redi
>
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