[LAC-Discuss] [ALAC-Internal] Fwd: Membership Database
Carlton A Samuels
carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm
Tue Jan 30 18:42:58 EST 2007
Jacqueline:
My abject apologies for corrupting your name!
>From this, it appears that most of us are disadvantaged with respect of the
information flows! Because since we are new to this ICANN business, most of
us would be ignorant of previous efforts in this area. Now, I am always for
more relevant data points to help form the decision. So if there is more
information that could be helpful in guiding us and you know where to get
hold of it, do let’s share it.
I’m not certain how we address the browser problems you’ve experienced but I
managed to get to the site directly from the link provided originally. I
have since tried the www.membersclick.com <http://www.membersclick.com/>
with both Firefox – my preferred browser - and IE without any trouble
whatsoever. If you try to get to the commercial website and can’t, we might
wish to send the Webmaster there a note; clearly they are not following the
W3C Usability rules.
Kind regards,
Carlton
[Spanish Version]
Jacqueline:
¡Mis disculpas abyectas para corromper su nombre!
¡De esto, aparece que la mayor parte de nosotros somos perjudicados con el
respeto de los flujos de información! Porque desde que somos nuevos a este
negocio de ICANN, la mayor parte de nosotros seríamos ignorante de esfuerzos
previos en esta área. Ahora, soy siempre para puntos más pertinentes de
datos de ayudar forma la decisión. Tan si hay más información que podría ser
útil en indicarnos y usted sabe donde obtener el asidero de ello, permita
que nosotros compartirlo.
Yo no soy cierto cómo dirigimos los problemas de examinador usted ha
experimentado pero logré llegar al sitio directamente de la conexión
proporcionada originalmente. Tengo desde que probé el www.membersclick.com
con ambos Firefox – mi examinador preferido - e IE sin cualquier problema
todo lo que. Si usted trata de llegar al sitio web comercial y poder no,
nosotros quizás deseemos mandar el Webmaster allí una nota; claramente ellos
no siguen las reglas de Valor Práctico W3C.
La clase considera,
Carlton
-----Original Message-----
From: jam at jacquelinemorris.com [mailto:jam at jacquelinemorris.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:22 PM
To: Carlton A Samuels
Cc: 'At-Large Staff'; alac-internal at atlarge-lists.icann.org; 'ALAC - ICANN';
lac-als at atlarge-lists.icann.org; lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
Subject: RE: [ALAC-Internal] Fwd: Membership Database
Hi Carlton
Well - in that case you have a lot more info than I do, cause I
haven't seen the system, didn't have info on the price, etc. There was
supposed to be a demo, and it didn't happen. I went to a website link
and the software didn't load in my browser. ALAC did do a needs
analysis of the ALS process, and we did look at some solutions in
2006. AFAIK we haven't seen this one yet. I'd have liked to have the
opportunity to compare this with the other ones Jean had identified
and set up for us to look at.
But since time is so short, and you've managed to see it and get info
on it - go ahead. I guess I will see it when you implement it - if it
loads in my browser this time.
Jacqueline (please please never never Jackie, Jacqui, Jacquie etc)
Quoting Carlton A Samuels <carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm>:
> Jackie:
>
> What this Secretariat need is a database-driven solution with a formatted
–
> meaning form-based – user interface that can be personalized for the
> capture, storage, transfer and reporting any number of pieces of
membership
> information and routine correspondence typical to the operation of a
> membership organization.
>
>
>
> So now, how do we get to this?
>
>
>
> We could always go the application development route and develop our own
> custom application from scratch. With regret, this Secretariat has
neither
> the time nor required resources for such an investment. Of course, we
would
> embrace volunteers for this effort with certain gratitude. But given the
> response we got for even looking at the demonstration, I am challenged to
> assume a better response from the polity.
>
>
>
> Alternately, we could examine and accept a solution that is already
> available and doing the work – the kind of work – that LACRAO would be
> engaged. To be perfectly blunt, I am disinclined to reinvent wheels and so
> this is my preferred approach. This is principally why I took the time to
> look at the demonstration and read some of the testimonials hosted.
> Furthermore, if you look at feature set versus the cost of the solution
and
> assay the time, effort and cost to the contrary approach – the old cost
> benefit analysis – the balance of the evidence is compelling for a
> favourable decision on the platform.
>
>
>
> Now, this is not to say I would be opposed if anyone else would wish to
look
> for other such solutions and propose them; this is indirectly advised in
my
> earlier message and there is still time to do so. But quite frankly, this
> Secretariat simply does not have the wherewithal to invest in further
> effort. But I am certainly open to be advised of a better solution and
deal
> that meet our several and sundry objectives. The single requirement at
this
> stage: do it quickly.
>
>
>
> In regard of the language support, you may recall that I am for an
> enterprise solution for all of ICANN. [What can I tell you, I tend to
think
> like a corporatist on business operations matters!] I believe the
consensus
> from that discussion was we should not wait for that but go with the
> Alfa-Redi recommended service. I believe cost and immediacy of need were
> the main reasons this solution gained traction. From my perspective, it
is
> what I would call a ‘good enough’ solution and so I have embraced it. And
as
> at yesterday afternoon, I requested and Nick provided guidance on the form
I
> need to execute to move the acquisition along. I see this working in the
> following way: most of what would require translation would’ve already
been
> aired and discussed on the lists. Anything we’d need to move from this
list
> to the platform – for voting and such – would have already been translated
> and available for copying.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Carlton
>
>
>
> [Spanish Version]
>
>
>
> Jackie:
>
> Qué esta Secretaría necesita es una solución base de datos-manejado con un
> formatear – significando forma-basado – usuario comunica eso puede ser
> personalizado para la captura, el almacenamiento, la transferencia y la
> cobertura cualquier número de pedazos de información de asociación y
> correspondencia rutinaria típicos a la operación de una organización de la
> asociación.
>
>
>
> ¿De modo que ahora, cómo llegamos a nosotros esto?
>
>
>
> Nosotros siempre podríamos ir la ruta del desarrollo de la aplicación y
> desarrollar nuestra propia aplicación de la costumbre del rasguño. Con
pena,
> esta Secretaría tiene ni el tiempo ni los recursos requeridos para tal
> inversión. Por supuesto, abrazaríamos a voluntarios para este esfuerzo con
> cierta gratitud. Pero dada la respuesta que obtuvimos por mirar aún la
> demostración, yo soy desafiado a asumir una mejor respuesta del sistema de
> gobierno.
>
>
>
> Alternamente, podríamos examinar y poder aceptar una solución que está ya
> disponible y hacer el trabajo – la clase del trabajo – que LACRAO sería
> comprometido. Para ser perfectamente embotado, soy desmotivado reinventar
> las ruedas y tan esto es mi enfoque preferido. Esto es principalmente por
> qué yo tomé el tiempo de mirar la demostración y leer parte del
testimonial
> recibido. Además, si usted mira el conjunto de la característica contra el
> costo de la solución y el aquilatamiento el tiempo, el esfuerzo y el costo
> al enfoque opuesto – el análisis de costo-beneficio viejo – el equilibrio
de
> la evidencia obliga para una decisión favorable en la plataforma.
>
>
>
> Ahora, esto es de no decir que sería opuesto si nadie desearía más buscar
> otras tales soluciones y los propone; esto es aconsejado indirectamente en
> mi mensaje más temprano y hay todavía tiempo de hacer así. Pero bastante
> francamente, esta Secretaría simplemente no tiene los medios para invertir
> en el esfuerzo adicional. Pero estoy ciertamente abierto ser aconsejado de
> una mejor solución y el trato que encuentran nuestro varios y los
objetivos
> diversos. El solo requisito en esta etapa: lo hace rápidamente.
>
>
>
> En la consideración del apoyo del idioma, usted puede recordar que soy
para
> una solución de la empresa para todo ICANN. ¡[lo que puede yo le digo,
> tiendo a pensar como un corporativista en asuntos de operaciones de
> negocio]! Creo que el consenso de esa discusión fue nosotros no debe
esperar
> que pero ir con el Esparto-Redi el servicio recomendado. Creo que el costo
y
> la inmediación de necesita fueron las razones principales esta solución
> tracción ganada. De mi perspectiva, es lo que llamaría una solución
> "suficiente" buena y tan yo lo he abrazado. Y cuando en ayer por la tarde,
> yo solicité y Mello la guía proporcionada en la forma por que necesito
> ejecutar para mover la adquisición. Veo este trabajar en la manera
> siguiente: la mayor parte de lo que requeriría la traducción ya habría
sido
> ventilado y habría sido discutido en las listas. Algo nosotros
> necesitaríamos mover de esta lista a la plataforma – para votar y tan – ya
> habría sido traducido y disponible para copiar.
>
>
>
> Las consideraciones de la clase,
>
> Carlton
>
> _____
>
> From: jacqueline.morris at gmail.com [mailto:jacqueline.morris at gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Jacqueline Morris
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:22 PM
> To: At-Large Staff; Carlton A Samuels
> Cc: alac-internal at atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC - ICANN;
> lac-als at atlarge-lists.icann.org; lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Subject: Re: [ALAC-Internal] Fwd: Membership Database
>
>
>
> HI
> I didn't get the MemberClick test drive - I did log on a couple of times
> but didn't get to see the features.
>
> Carlton
> I'd like to know which other solutions you checked before making this
> decision, just in the interest of having this info to support the decision
> - I'd feel more comfortable with a needs analysis, and then a comparison
of
> at least 3 potential solutions and the reasons why the particular one was
> chosen. From what I can see and what Jean and Larry and John L. wrote
> earlier, quite a bit of this functionality can be easily implemented
within
> the icannalac.org website, and the wiki is there as well.
>
> There is one more very important question for LAC - how does memberclicks
> deal with multiple languages?
>
> Note - I'm not necessarily against it - just like to go through clear and
> transparent processes - esp just after getting slapped down by the
> ombudsman! This process would not necessarily take long, but would
> definitely g a long way towards clarifying our needs, our expectations of
> hte software, and most importantly, our work processes.
>
> Jacqueline
>
> On 1/30/07, At-Large Staff <staff at alac.icann.org> wrote:
>
> FYI. I thought I should copy this over to the ALAC working list since
> Carlton is not a member - following on from Carlton's suggestion, unless
> there are any objections I'll grant his request in advance and we can use
> the LAC region as the first to come onto the database as a phased
> implementation approach.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Carlton A Samuels < carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm
> <mailto:carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm> >
> Date: 30-Jan-2007 19:15
> Subject: RE: Resend of voting codes
> To: At-Large Staff <staff at alac.icann.org <mailto:staff at alac.icann.org> >,
> "José Ovidio Salgueiro A." < jsalgueiro at cantv.net
> <mailto:jsalgueiro at cantv.net> >
> Cc: LAC-ALS <lac-als at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, LAC Discuss <
> lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> <mailto:lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org> >
>
> Esteemed Colleagues:
>
> Speaking of which, the time has come for a database driven solution to
> handle and host most if not all of the membership management processes for
> the LACRALO. I am speaking particularly of things like maintaining
> membership lists of ALS and their accredited representatives, single
> globally accessible place to place resolutions that come from our
> discussions, a place to take and record votes on resolutions etcetera.
>
>
>
> Nick has proposed the membersclick operation -
> <http://www.membersclick.com/> www.membersclick.com - as a possible
> solution. A demonstration site was prepared for ICANN and we were
> encouraged to take the test drive. I did and gave my feedback.
Regrettably,
> that site is no longer available. But it is my view that we need such a
> solution and quick.
>
>
>
> Be assured that is an additional resource; it will not replace the
> established discussion lists and listservs now in place. Barring a strong
> consensus AGAINST and contingent on this expressed by close of business
> Friday, 2nd February, 2007, this Secretariat is inclined to request a
> subscription to Membersclick on your behalf thru the ICANN At-Large
> Supporting Organization.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Carlton
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> [Spanish Version]
>
>
>
> Los Colegas Estimados:
>
> Hablando de que, el tiempo ha venido para una base de datos la solución
> manejada para manejar y recibir la mayoría del si no todos los procesos de
> administración de asociación para el LACRALO. Hablo especialmente de cosas
> como mantener relaciones de socios de AL y sus representantes acreditados,
> solo lugar globalmente accesible para colocar las resoluciones que vienen
de
> nuestras discusiones, un lugar para tomar y registrar los votos en la
> etcétera de resoluciones.
>
>
>
> La mella ha propuesto la operación de membersclick -
> <http://www.membersclick.com/> www.membersclick.com - como una solución
> posible. Un sitio de la demostración fue preparado para ICANN y nosotros
> fuimos alentados a tomar la prueba maneja. Hice y dí mi reacción.
> Lamentablemente, ese sitio está ya no disponible. Pero es mi vista que
> necesitamos tal solución y rápido.
>
>
>
> Es asegurado eso es un recurso adicional; no reemplazará las listas
> establecidas de la discusión y listservs ahora en lugar. Salvo un consenso
> fuerte CONTRA y CONTRA el contingente en este expresado cerrando de el
> viernes del negocio, segundo Febrero, 2007, esta Secretaría es inclinada a
> solicitar una suscripción a Membersclick en su thru del beneficio el ICANN
> Sostener En-Grande la Organización.
>
>
>
> Las consideraciones de la clase,
>
>
>
> Carlton
>
> _____
>
> From: nashtonhart at gmail.com [mailto:nashtonhart at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> At-Large Staff
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:51 PM
> To: José Ovidio Salgueiro A.
> Cc: Carlton A Samuels
> Subject: Re: [alac-admin] Resend of voting codes
>
>
>
> Jose:
>
> I haven't heard back from you - have you received the email below?
>
> On 29/01/07, At-Large Staff < staff at alac.icann.org
> <mailto:staff at alac.icann.org> > wrote:
>
> Jose:
>
> I've had some troubles sending to your email address in the past - could
we
> try a different one? Do you have another we can use?
>
>
>
> On 29/01/07, José Ovidio Salgueiro A. <jsalgueiro at cantv.net> wrote:
>
> I didn´t get the email with the new cod to acces the voting site
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> José Ovidio Salgueiro A.
> jsalgueiro at cantv.net
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: ICANN <mailto:staff at alac.icann.org> At Large Staff
>
> To: alac-admin at icann.org
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:54 AM
>
> Subject: [alac-admin] Resend of voting codes
>
>
>
> Dear Committee:
>
>
>
> In order to try and help Carlos and Jose with the problems they've had
with
> voting, we've just resent voting codes by email to all eligible voters.
>
>
>
> If you have already voted, just ignore them.
>
>
>
> Carlos and Jose: Can you please verify:
>
>
>
> 1) That you received the email
>
> 2) Whether, or not, you can vote.
>
>
>
> Note that we are still looking for regional advice for the LAC regional
> candidate ALSes and the sooner that we can have some further information
> from you 3 in LAC it would be very helpful to everyone else :)
>
>
>
> --
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>
>
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>
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