[LAC-Discuss] [ALAC-Internal] Fwd: Membership Database

Tue Jan 30 18:02:01 EST 2007

Jackie:

What this Secretariat need is a database-driven solution with a formatted –
meaning form-based – user interface that can be personalized for the
capture, storage, transfer and reporting any number of pieces of membership
information and routine correspondence typical to the operation of a
membership organization.

So now, how do we get to this?

We could always go the application development route and develop our own
custom application from scratch.  With regret, this Secretariat has neither
the time nor required resources for such an investment. Of course, we would
embrace volunteers for this effort with certain gratitude.  But given the
response we got for even looking at the demonstration, I am challenged to
assume a better response from the polity.  

Alternately, we could examine and accept a solution that is already
available and doing the work – the kind of work – that LACRAO would be
engaged. To be perfectly blunt, I am disinclined to reinvent wheels and so
this is my preferred approach.  This is principally why I took the time to
look at the demonstration and read some of the testimonials hosted.
Furthermore, if you look at feature set versus the cost of the solution and
assay the time, effort and cost to the contrary approach – the old cost
benefit analysis – the balance of the evidence is compelling for a
favourable decision on the platform. 

Now, this is not to say I would be opposed if anyone else would wish to look
for other such solutions and propose them; this is indirectly advised in my
earlier message and there is still time to do so.  But quite frankly, this
Secretariat simply does not have the wherewithal to invest in further
effort.  But I am certainly open to be advised of a better solution and deal
that meet our several and sundry objectives.  The single requirement at this
stage: do it quickly.

In regard of the language support, you may recall that I am for an
enterprise solution for all of ICANN. [What can I tell you, I tend to think
like a corporatist on business operations matters!]  I believe the consensus
from that discussion was we should not wait for that but go with the
Alfa-Redi recommended service.  I believe cost and immediacy of need were
the main reasons this solution gained traction.  From my perspective, it is
what I would call a ‘good enough’ solution and so I have embraced it. And as
at yesterday afternoon, I requested and Nick provided guidance on the form I
need to execute to move the acquisition along. I see this working in the
following way: most of what would require translation would’ve already been
aired and discussed on the lists.  Anything we’d need to move from this list
to the platform – for voting and such – would have already been translated
and available for copying. 

Kind regards,

Carlton

[Spanish Version]

Jackie:

Qué esta Secretaría necesita es una solución base de datos-manejado con un
formatear – significando forma-basado – usuario comunica eso puede ser
personalizado para la captura, el almacenamiento, la transferencia y la
cobertura cualquier número de pedazos de información de asociación y
correspondencia rutinaria típicos a la operación de una organización de la
asociación. 

¿De modo que ahora, cómo llegamos a nosotros esto? 

Nosotros siempre podríamos ir la ruta del desarrollo de la aplicación y
desarrollar nuestra propia aplicación de la costumbre del rasguño. Con pena,
esta Secretaría tiene ni el tiempo ni los recursos requeridos para tal
inversión. Por supuesto, abrazaríamos a voluntarios para este esfuerzo con
cierta gratitud. Pero dada la respuesta que obtuvimos por mirar aún la
demostración, yo soy desafiado a asumir una mejor respuesta del sistema de
gobierno. 

Alternamente, podríamos examinar y poder aceptar una solución que está ya
disponible y hacer el trabajo – la clase del trabajo – que LACRAO sería
comprometido. Para ser perfectamente embotado, soy desmotivado reinventar
las ruedas y tan esto es mi enfoque preferido. Esto es principalmente por
qué yo tomé el tiempo de mirar la demostración y leer parte del testimonial
recibido. Además, si usted mira el conjunto de la característica contra el
costo de la solución y el aquilatamiento el tiempo, el esfuerzo y el costo
al enfoque opuesto – el análisis de costo-beneficio viejo – el equilibrio de
la evidencia obliga para una decisión favorable en la plataforma. 

Ahora, esto es de no decir que sería opuesto si nadie desearía más buscar
otras tales soluciones y los propone; esto es aconsejado indirectamente en
mi mensaje más temprano y hay todavía tiempo de hacer así. Pero bastante
francamente, esta Secretaría simplemente no tiene los medios para invertir
en el esfuerzo adicional. Pero estoy ciertamente abierto ser aconsejado de
una mejor solución y el trato que encuentran nuestro varios y los objetivos
diversos. El solo requisito en esta etapa: lo hace rápidamente. 

En la consideración del apoyo del idioma, usted puede recordar que soy para
una solución de la empresa para todo ICANN. ¡[lo que puede yo le digo,
tiendo a pensar como un corporativista en asuntos de operaciones de
negocio]! Creo que el consenso de esa discusión fue nosotros no debe esperar
que pero ir con el Esparto-Redi el servicio recomendado. Creo que el costo y
la inmediación de necesita fueron las razones principales esta solución
tracción ganada. De mi perspectiva, es lo que llamaría una solución
"suficiente" buena y tan yo lo he abrazado. Y cuando en ayer por la tarde,
yo solicité y Mello la guía proporcionada en la forma por que necesito
ejecutar para mover la adquisición. Veo este trabajar en la manera
siguiente: la mayor parte de lo que requeriría la traducción ya habría sido
ventilado y habría sido discutido en las listas. Algo nosotros
necesitaríamos mover de esta lista a la plataforma – para votar y tan – ya
habría sido traducido y disponible para copiar. 

Las consideraciones de la clase,

Carlton

  _____  

From: jacqueline.morris at gmail.com [mailto:jacqueline.morris at gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Jacqueline Morris
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:22 PM
To: At-Large Staff; Carlton A Samuels
Cc: alac-internal at atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC - ICANN;
lac-als at atlarge-lists.icann.org; lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
Subject: Re: [ALAC-Internal] Fwd: Membership Database

HI 
 I didn't get the MemberClick test drive - I did log on a couple of times
but didn't get to see the features. 

Carlton
I'd like to know which other solutions you checked before making this
decision, just in the interest of having this info to support the decision
- I'd feel more comfortable with a needs analysis, and then a comparison of
at least 3 potential solutions and the reasons why the particular one was
chosen. From what I can see and what Jean and Larry and John L. wrote
earlier, quite a bit of this functionality can be easily implemented within
the icannalac.org website, and the wiki is there as well. 

There is one more very important question for LAC - how does memberclicks
deal with multiple languages? 

Note - I'm not necessarily against it - just like to go through clear and
transparent processes - esp just after getting slapped down by the
ombudsman! This process would not necessarily take long, but would
definitely g a long way towards clarifying our needs, our expectations of
hte software, and most importantly, our  work processes. 

Jacqueline

On 1/30/07, At-Large Staff <staff at alac.icann.org> wrote:

FYI. I thought I should copy this over to the ALAC working list since
Carlton is not a member - following on from Carlton's suggestion, unless
there are any objections I'll grant his request in advance and we can use
the LAC region as the first to come onto the database as a phased
implementation approach. 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Carlton A Samuels < carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm
<mailto:carlton.samuels at uwimona.edu.jm> > 
Date: 30-Jan-2007 19:15
Subject: RE: Resend of voting codes
To: At-Large Staff <staff at alac.icann.org  <mailto:staff at alac.icann.org> >,
"José Ovidio Salgueiro A." < jsalgueiro at cantv.net
<mailto:jsalgueiro at cantv.net> >
Cc: LAC-ALS <lac-als at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, LAC Discuss <
lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
<mailto:lac-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org> >

Esteemed Colleagues:

Speaking of which, the time has come for a database driven solution to
handle and host most if not all of the membership management processes for
the LACRALO. I am speaking particularly of things like maintaining
membership lists of ALS and their accredited representatives, single
globally accessible place to place resolutions that come from our
discussions, a place to take and record votes on resolutions etcetera. 

Nick has proposed the membersclick operation -
<http://www.membersclick.com/> www.membersclick.com - as a possible
solution.  A demonstration site was prepared for ICANN and we were
encouraged to take the test drive.  I did and gave my feedback. Regrettably,
that site is no longer available.   But it is my view that we need such a
solution and quick.

Be assured that is an additional resource; it will not replace the
established discussion lists and listservs now in place.  Barring a strong
consensus AGAINST and contingent on this expressed by close of business
Friday, 2nd February, 2007, this Secretariat is inclined to request a
subscription to Membersclick on your behalf thru the ICANN At-Large
Supporting Organization.  

Kind regards,

Carlton

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[Spanish Version]

Los Colegas Estimados:

Hablando de que, el tiempo ha venido para una base de datos la solución
manejada para manejar y recibir la mayoría del si no todos los procesos de
administración de asociación para el LACRALO. Hablo especialmente de cosas
como mantener relaciones de socios de AL y sus representantes acreditados,
solo lugar globalmente accesible para colocar las resoluciones que vienen de
nuestras discusiones, un lugar para tomar y registrar los votos en la
etcétera de resoluciones. 

La mella ha propuesto la operación de membersclick -
<http://www.membersclick.com/> www.membersclick.com  - como una solución
posible. Un sitio de la demostración fue preparado para ICANN y nosotros
fuimos alentados a tomar la prueba maneja. Hice y dí mi reacción.
Lamentablemente, ese sitio está ya no disponible. Pero es mi vista que
necesitamos tal solución y rápido. 

Es asegurado eso es un recurso adicional; no reemplazará las listas
establecidas de la discusión y listservs ahora en lugar. Salvo un consenso
fuerte CONTRA y CONTRA el contingente en este expresado cerrando de el
viernes del negocio, segundo Febrero, 2007, esta Secretaría es inclinada a
solicitar una suscripción a Membersclick en su thru del beneficio el ICANN
Sostener En-Grande la Organización. 

Las consideraciones de la clase,

Carlton

  _____  

From: nashtonhart at gmail.com [mailto:nashtonhart at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
At-Large Staff
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:51 PM
To: José Ovidio Salgueiro A.
Cc: Carlton A Samuels
Subject: Re: [alac-admin] Resend of voting codes

Jose:

I haven't heard back from you - have you received the email below?

On 29/01/07, At-Large Staff < staff at alac.icann.org
<mailto:staff at alac.icann.org> > wrote:

Jose:

I've had some troubles sending to your email address in the past - could we
try a different one? Do you have another we can use?

On 29/01/07, José Ovidio Salgueiro A. <jsalgueiro at cantv.net> wrote:

I didn´t get the email with the new cod to acces the voting site

José Ovidio Salgueiro A.
jsalgueiro at cantv.net

----- Original Message ----- 

From: ICANN <mailto:staff at alac.icann.org>  At Large Staff 

To: alac-admin at icann.org 

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:54 AM

Subject: [alac-admin] Resend of voting codes

Dear Committee: 

In order to try and help Carlos and Jose with the problems they've had with
voting, we've just resent voting codes by email to all eligible voters.

If you have already voted, just ignore them.

Carlos and Jose: Can you please verify:

1) That you received the email

2) Whether, or not, you can vote.

Note that we are still looking for regional advice for the LAC regional
candidate ALSes and the sooner that we can have some further information
from you 3 in LAC it would be very helpful to everyone else :)

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FESTIVE GREETINGS! As per usual, in lieu of cards for friends and
colleagues, I have made a donation in your name to Medecins Sans Frontieres,
to help them provide medical care to those much less fortunate than
ourselves. 

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Regards,

Nick Ashton-Hart
PO Box 32160
London N4 2XY
United Kingdom
UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011
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Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135
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colleagues, I have made a donation in your name to Medecins Sans Frontieres,
to help them provide medical care to those much less fortunate than
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