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Hello everybody,<br>
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as someone who could not come to the meeting but tried my best to take
part virtually, I am quite surprised about this discussion. <br>
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We have been working for a year on founding this organisation. There is
no need at all to rush through with any procedure within two weeks and
even parallel to eastern vacation when many people will not be able to
take part in the discussion at all.<br>
<br>
I think the proposal for a timeline given by Wolfgang makes absolutely
sense and I would like to ask for an agreement on this.<br>
<br>
<br>
I very much hope that there is not a serious discussion on deliberately
excluding accredited ALSes which happened to have no chance to attend
the Lisbon Meeting. This is certainly not something I would have given
my signature for.<br>
<br>
I think we all want to have a positive inclusive and consensus oriented
start, so that we can concentrate on content not on procedure. So, I am
glad, that Wolfgang made already some very interesting proposals what
we could work on until the next ICANN meeting in June.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
Annette<br>
<br>
<br>
Wolfgang Kleinwächter schrieb:
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<pre wrap="">Tahnks Vittorio,
I think the differendes can be worked out constructively.
With regard to some procedures I think that all ASLs has to be involved and not only the minority who had been able to sit in the room in Lisbon. There should be a formal information to all recognized ASLs with a clear and fair timeline and a chance to comment what to do next. Do not rush. There is no need for a hurry. If we have the elections finished before San Juan, this is okay. Nothing will collapse if we take us more time.
With regard to the April 14 this is absolutely too short. It is now Easter and a lot of potential candidates are in vacation. So this has to be reconsidered. I propose May 15, This would give all parties to prepare better for an fair and transparent process. Otherwise you provoke another round of heated debate, conflicts and mistrust of people who had been not involved and will think this is another big conspiracy.
So we NEED the involvement of all ALS to get he credibility an EURALO should have. And credibility is onw of the highest value for such an Internet jsers organisation.
BTW, thanks for proposing me as a potential EURALO Board member. Unfortunately due to another overload of work, the Summer School, GIGANET, Studienkreis and something else I will not be in a position to take an additonal function. I will concentrate my energy and efforts to get the thing started because I feel - as a veteran in this discussion - ALM and EURALO as part of my personal responsibility towards the community. But with regard to leadership positions in this new boday it is time for the European youngster to take the lead, in particular we need also young energietic woman and ALS andindividuals from outside the EU to get a better balance, to grow and to make the voices of the European Internet usaer5s in the ICANN context visible.
Best
wolfgang
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Von: Vittorio Bertola [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:vb@bertola.eu">mailto:vb@bertola.eu</a>]
Gesendet: Sa 31.03.2007 15:25
An: Wolfgang Kleinwächter
Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe
Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Wolfgang Kleinwächter ha scritto:
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<pre wrap="">Dear list,
back home here are some conclusions, comments and proposals for
further actions and next steps:
1. Regardless of the controversial discussion and the heated debate
the outcome of the Lisbon meeting is a good step forward and we
should build on this
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I agree, and let me say that I really appreciated the way that all of
us, and specifically those who were most attached to the issues of
incorporation and individual membership such as you and Christoph,
worked together to reach an acceptable compromise.
For the process you propose, I would like to stick to the process we
agreed - if I remember well you were not in the meeting on Tuesday
morning, so I am reattaching the document that was approved. There is
not much difference, except that the idea is to first elect the Board
and ALAC reps (so that I can finally leave my seat...), then let the
EURALO Board instruct the discussion. Of course the EURALO Board could
then delegate a working group - in any case I think that you necessarily
have to be in this discussion (you'd be a good EURALO Board member
anyway, and I think that the people who were most active in the
discussions up to here are natural candidates for a strong initial
EURALO Board, that can ensure a good continuation of the process).
So I'd build on the timeline we agreed, and if we can have a EURALO
Board elected by May 10 - and maybe work in parallel to develop a
proposal on the open issues - we could still try to have a virtual GA at
mid June, just before Puerto Rico. It really depends on how hard we work.
About the last two points:
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<pre wrap="">4. the formal nomination process for the EURALO board members and
ALAC reps should start after Easter.
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In Lisbon, we agreed to have nominations between tomorrow and April 14,
and to have the Chair elected by the Board. I would not reopen the
discussion until we really feel the need to (and we approved the Bylaws
and procedure in Lisbon, so what do we do if someone complains?).
BTW - There are not so many participants to the initial vote, so I would
expect that it won't be a vote on a huge scale; and that's reasonable
for a bootstrapping procedure. Actually, I would like it if we could
find consensus on a slate of candidates and make the vote a formality,
like APRALO did.
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vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <--------
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