<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Firstly: John, feel free to join the European list; I'm sure that nobody will object.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Secondly: If there are missing elements from the issues report - which was forwarded around recently, and is attached again here - we should identify those and make improvements to the report. Any thoughts on that subject would be very helpful.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thirdly: Just because the ALAC requests an issues report from the At-large staff does not automatically lead to the GNSO Staff asking the GNSO to initiate a PDP. Here's a snippet from the Bylaws (Annex A(1)):</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1. Raising an Issue</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">An issue may be raised for consideration as part of the PDP by any of the following:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> a. Board Initiation. The Board may initiate the PDP by instructing the GNSO Council ("Council") to begin the process outlined in this Annex.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> b. Council Initiation. The GNSO Council may initiate the PDP by a vote of at least twenty-five percent (25%) of the members of the Council present at any meeting in which a motion to initiate the PDP is made.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> c. Advisory Committee Initiation. An Advisory Committee may raise an issue for policy development by action of such committee to commence the PDP, and transmission of that request to the GNSO Council.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>In other words the ALAC would need to take action formally and transmit a request to the GNSO Council as provided above.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>HOWEVER: Just because ALAC asks the GNSO to start a PDP doesn't mean that they will. The Council has to vote to do so - and the weighted voting of the registrars and registries means that the extra votes they dispose - especially in this case - could block a PDP being raised. I'm not saying that they would block it, or that any other constituency might do so, but the voting position means that we must move carefully.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The initiation of a PDP is a serious step and it is very political. If a PDP were to be sought, careful thought would need to be given to how to assure that the PDP process actually begins - and then how to raise the votes in the GNSO Council to help the process reach the desired conclusion.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I would suggest strongly that careful planning and though, as well as advance discussions with members of the GNSO council and the ICANN Board, should be held so that the political climate can be assessed. The At-Large Community should also, in advance, have a clear idea of exactly what the outcome of a PDP ought to be.</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 16 Feb 2007, at 15:35, Rudi Vansnick wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">John Levine asked me to forward the message below to the European<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">maillist as he was not authorised he said.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Rudi Vansnick wrote:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I support the Domain Name Tasting issue to be discussed at the upcoming</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">ICANN Meeting in Lisbon. Looking at what happens in EURid, I personally</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">think the issue is a real big hurdle for EURid, even at Belgian (.be)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">level many discussions are ongoing.</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">That's a good thought.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>The ALAC has already asked for and received an<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">issues paper on this topic.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>It wasn't as complete as I would have liked,<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">but it did cover the basics.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The bylaws say that within 15 days after the report, the GNSO council<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">staff is supposed to recommend to the GNSO whether or not to initiate a<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">policy development process (PDP).<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>The issues report came out months ago,<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">but I don't recall hearing what happened relative to a PDP.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Nick, can you query their staff and find out?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Thanks.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Regards,</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">John Levine, <A href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com">johnl@iecc.com</A>, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, <A href="http://www.johnlevine.com">http://www.johnlevine.com</A>, Mayor</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">"More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; 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