[EURO-Discuss] EURO-Discuss Digest, Vol 175, Issue 14
SCHWEIGHOFER Erich Prof. Dr. Dr..
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Thu May 13 01:39:57 UTC 2021
Dear EURALO members,
it is always better to solve questions in small groups. The present EURALO leadership seems not be able to do that. Sad ...
Someone - not disclosed yet - has submitted a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman. Welcome to a serious dispute ... and learn about history, also in Eastern Bundesländer, where the land belongs to the Red Barons.
War crimes should never be forgotten and celebrating victory without reference to war crimes is not acceptable. Not much is asked for - a reference that this was wrong, it is forgiven but not forgotten.
Human suffering is individual and personal and should be remembered, always, in combination with the usual history about battles, fights ... the usual history by governments, generals and their supporters.
Yours truly,
Erich Schweighofer
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Mai 2021 22:46
An: Discussion for At-Large Europe; sandra hoferichter
Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] EURO-Discuss Digest, Vol 175, Issue 14
Dear Sandra,
thank you for your support and kind words about my work in EURALO.
I need to learn a lot to become better in any official (or without) position in EURALO, At-Large and I 've got the opportunity to learn from such awesome people around, to learn from you.
Best,
Natalia Filina
Moscow, Russia
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1. Re: RECORDED / EURO-Discuss Digest, Vol 175, Issue 9
(Wolfgang Kleinw?chter)
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Natalia has my full supoport.
Wolfgang
Yesim Nazlar via EURO-Discuss <euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> hat am 11.05.2021 12:43 geschrieben:
Dear Natalia,
Thank you for your e-mail.
Your nomination acceptance is recorded. As the next step,
1. Please kindly update your SOI page<https://community.icann.org/x/JgS8B>
2. Send a brief statement explaining why you believe you are a suitable candidate
Thank you.
Kind Regards,
Yeşim Nazlar
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Date: 11 May 2021 Tuesday 12:18
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Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] EURO-Discuss Digest, Vol 175, Issue 9
Dear Sebastian,
I very appreciate your trust, support and I accept the nomination.
And I thank my colleagues and mentors who provide opinions about my work. It is very important for me!
Best,
Natalia Filina
Moscow, Russia
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Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] 2021 EURALO Regional Selections (Secretariat)
Hello all the readers of this list,
I would like to ask you to refrain from any follow-up on this thread.
We are « just » at this moment asking for nomination for various positions (ALAC, NomCom, Chair et secretary of EURALO).
Nomination are open until 21st of May 2021.
Thanks
All the best
SeB
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Le 11 mai 2021 à 10:18, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com<mailto:roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>> a écrit :
I am not on FB, so I have asked my wife to check.
I have two comments:
* nowhere in her post does the word “Communist” appear, she is talking about the Red Army
* I have worked for many years at a UN Agency where there were many Russians and former USSR citizens - none of them was communist, quite the contrary - and every year they organised at the UN premises a big party, to which a multicultural, multiethnic, and in all ways diverse crowd joyfully participated
Talking to the former USSR people, none of which was discounting or negating the crimes perpetrated, I learned that for them the end of a war that has caused 25M deaths - according to the most conservative estimates - out of which at least 17M civilians - was something to celebrate forever. And I ended up in agreeing with them - it’s something rooted in the Russian people, and has little relationship with a political stance.
So, in summary, while I appreciate Erich pointing out this fact - it is always good to do background checking - I don’t think that making a post in celebration of the 9 May Victory Day is something that is out of order or that in any way requires further action.
Cheers,
Roberto
On 11.05.2021, at 08:58, SCHWEIGHOFER Erich Prof. Dr. Dr.. <erich.schweighofer at univie.ac.at<mailto:erich.schweighofer at univie.ac.at>> wrote:
I think that the N.F. has done a good job, promoting topics and those she considers important. As secretary, she has the discretion to do that, in co-operation with the Chair.
As a former NomCom member, I do a routine job on checking details.
Here, I am worried that she shows - on her face book account - great enthusiasm about the great victory of the Communists in the 2nd World War without mentioning war crimes of the Red Army and the Secret Services of the USSR. That is strongly questionable.
Thus, we should ask N.F. about her position on that. Every nation after this War hat its share on crimes, some minor, other extreme (Nazi Germany, with strong involvement of Austrians), and some both: great engagement (thank you), but also serious war crimes. A strong statement is sufficient for me.
Best regards,
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Von: EURO-Discuss [euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>] im Auftrag von Roberto Gaetano via EURO-Discuss [euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Mai 2021 07:26
An: Sebicann Bachollet
Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe
Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] 2021 EURALO Regional Selections (Secretariat)
I agree that she has done an excellent job.
I have been impressed not only by her enthusiasm but also on how fast she has learned and has become an essential resource for EURALO.
R.
On 10.05.2021, at 19:44, Sebicann Bachollet via EURO-Discuss <euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org><mailto:euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote:
I would like to nominate Natalia Filina to be return as EURALO Secretary for the term AGM2021-AGM2023.
She has done a superbe job.
The monthly newsletter is a must and her involvement in EURALO Activities and in the various committees of At-Large/ALAC regarding Outreach and engagement is to be underline.
Thanks all for considering.
All the best
SeB
Sébastien Bachollet
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Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] 2021 EURALO Regional Selections (Secretariat)
I agee with Lutz and Roberto. ICANN is an international organisation and I wonder where should we draw the line if we where to consider political positions across the world? Who should judge them? This is also not the practice at NomCom.
Natalia has my full support to continue as the EURALO Secretary if she wishes to. For the first time since I am a member of EURALO this position was constantly visible. She did a great job.
Best
Sandra
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Am 11.05.2021 um 10:19 schrieb Roberto Gaetano via EURO-Discuss <euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>>:
I am not on FB, so I have asked my wife to check.
I have two comments:
* nowhere in her post does the word “Communist” appear, she is talking about the Red Army
* I have worked for many years at a UN Agency where there were many Russians and former USSR citizens - none of them was communist, quite the contrary - and every year they organised at the UN premises a big party, to which a multicultural, multiethnic, and in all ways diverse crowd joyfully participated
Talking to the former USSR people, none of which was discounting or negating the crimes perpetrated, I learned that for them the end of a war that has caused 25M deaths - according to the most conservative estimates - out of which at least 17M civilians - was something to celebrate forever. And I ended up in agreeing with them - it’s something rooted in the Russian people, and has little relationship with a political stance.
So, in summary, while I appreciate Erich pointing out this fact - it is always good to do background checking - I don’t think that making a post in celebration of the 9 May Victory Day is something that is out of order or that in any way requires further action.
Cheers,
Roberto
On 11.05.2021, at 08:58, SCHWEIGHOFER Erich Prof. Dr. Dr.. <erich.schweighofer at univie.ac.at<mailto:erich.schweighofer at univie.ac.at>> wrote:
I think that the N.F. has done a good job, promoting topics and those she considers important. As secretary, she has the discretion to do that, in co-operation with the Chair.
As a former NomCom member, I do a routine job on checking details.
Here, I am worried that she shows - on her face book account - great enthusiasm about the great victory of the Communists in the 2nd World War without mentioning war crimes of the Red Army and the Secret Services of the USSR. That is strongly questionable.
Thus, we should ask N.F. about her position on that. Every nation after this War hat its share on crimes, some minor, other extreme (Nazi Germany, with strong involvement of Austrians), and some both: great engagement (thank you), but also serious war crimes. A strong statement is sufficient for me.
Best regards,
Erich Schweighofer
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Mai 2021 07:26
An: Sebicann Bachollet
Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe
Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] 2021 EURALO Regional Selections (Secretariat)
I agree that she has done an excellent job.
I have been impressed not only by her enthusiasm but also on how fast she has learned and has become an essential resource for EURALO.
R.
On 10.05.2021, at 19:44, Sebicann Bachollet via EURO-Discuss <euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org><mailto:euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote:
I would like to nominate Natalia Filina to be return as EURALO Secretary for the term AGM2021-AGM2023.
She has done a superbe job.
The monthly newsletter is a must and her involvement in EURALO Activities and in the various committees of At-Large/ALAC regarding Outreach and engagement is to be underline.
Thanks all for considering.
All the best
SeB
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