[EURO-Discuss] Should EURALO sign a petition? Should you?

Thu Feb 22 13:16:07 UTC 2018

NB. I draw your attention to the personnel cut in Eastern Europe region
FY2019. 2 FTE becomes 1 FTE. It means moving toward US-centric corporation
from regional perspective. I would cut 2 SG&A US lawyers and hire 12
regional managers as COR and still cut the expense.

--andrei

2018-02-22 14:03 GMT+03:00 Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>:

> Juhani,
> You raise a good point about the sightseeing vs attending the meeting, I
> can tell similar experiences in the early days of ALAC.
> However, I would like to avoid throwing away the baby with the dirty
> water. I believe that to cancel a programme that has produced tangible
> benefits interns of bringing new people to ICANN that are now active
> participants just because there is some abuse is not the right answer.
> However, I wonder whether the real reason for this cut is something that
> has nothing to do with abuse, but is simply the sign that Fadi’s Global
> Equal Multi-Stakeholder approach is definitively gone and we are back to a
> situation in which some stakeholders are more equal than others.
> Cheers,
> Roberto
>
>
> On 22.02.2018, at 08:49, Juhani Juselius <juhani at juselius.fi> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I agree budget cuts hurt, but I can well understand it's something ICANN
> has to do.
>
> In my opinion fellowship program should be part of those cuts too. ICANN
> has very important core functions to run, so if ICANN has to reduce costs,
> I'd prefer cutting fellowship costs more than cutting for example IANA
> related costs.
>
> In general, fellowship program is good (as long as ICANN can afford having
> it), but it's not perfect. Most of the program participants are motivated
> and active in ICANN meetings, but not all of them. For example, during the
> Hyderabad meeting I took a day off after the ccNSO meeting days (which was
> my main interest) and had a full-day city sightseeing. And I shared the
> tour with two persons that were there under the fellowship program - chosen
> by their cultural background. While talking to them during the day it
> became obvious that they were happy with free traveling to India, but they
> couldn't care less about the meeting itself. So I hope that possible budget
> cuts would force ICANN to re-evaluate selection criterias to fellowship
> program more carefully dropping off those not so motivated participants.
>
> I prefer not to sign the petition.
>
> Juhani
>
>
>
> Stéphane Van Gelder - Milathan kirjoitti 2018-02-21 23:15:
>
> Completely agree with Andrei. I oppose the signing of a petition to oppose
> cuts. I would add to his reasons the fact that the Board Chair and the CEO
> have both laid down extremely well articulated arguments for why budget
> cuts are needed. I would worry that a EURALO response through a petition
> would not only look political, it would look immature.
>
> If we have strong arguments as to why some cuts should not happen, let's
> produce them through the usual ICANN discussion channels open to us.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stéphane
>
>
> On 21 Feb 2018, at 21:24, Andrei Kolesnikov <andrei at rol.ru> wrote:
> I'm against signing any petition on change.org, because it sounds
> political. If community  is against the cut, this must be articulated with
> facts, numbers and names. I don't like personnel cost increase, but this is
> another issue. --andrei
>
> 2018-02-21 20:06 GMT+03:00 Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>:
>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> on yesterday's EURALO monthly call, the following Action Item was
>> recorded.
>>
>> :
>>
>> Olivier Crepin-Leblond
>> <https://community.icann.org/display/%7Eolivier.crepin-leblond> Olivier
>> to follow up on the EURALO mailing list on the suggestion from Oksana for
>> EURALO support the petition against reduction of the ICANN fellowship as
>> well as to write an EURALO statement against the CROP elimination.
>>
>>
>> As you know, the ICANN FY19 budget is undergoing to reduction. This will
>> mean that some programmes are frozen, whilst others are actually reduced.
>> The current draft of the program is showing drastic cuts in community
>> engagement and policy. The Fellowship is being slashed, and so is the
>> NextGen program. The Community Regional Outreach Pilot Program (CROP) which
>> was confirmed into the main budget as it was seen as being so helpful, is
>> being cancelled altogether. It is a terrible state of affairs, as it
>> appears that ICANN has targeted community initiatives for outreach and
>> engagement to a much greater extent that other programmes and the cuts, as
>> a percentage of the budget for outreach and engagement initiatives are way
>> larger than for other programmes.
>>
>> You might has seen a petition out there, entitled "Stop the ICANN Budget
>> Cuts and Save the Fellowship Program!"
>> On last night's EURALO call, Oksana Prykhodko asked whether EURALO could
>> be inclined to sign this petition:
>> https://www.change.org/p/icann-stop-the-icann-budget-cuts-
>> and-save-the-fellowship-program
>>
>> The signing of a petition is highly unusual for a RALO. I can recall
>> several occurrences of a RALO releasing its own Statement. I can also
>> recall EURALO supporting EuroDIG as a partner - and this translates to the
>> EURALO Chair (previously Wolf Ludwig and now yours truly) being active in
>> the organisation of EuroDIG. If my memory serves me right, the only time
>> EURALO has signed a Petition, might be the signature for support of
>> NetMundial outcomes. Perhaps can Wolf help with other potential occurences?
>>
>> At the end of the day, there are no rules on whether EURALO may or may
>> not sign this petition. So the decision is in your hands, the EURALO
>> members.
>>
>> Should EURALO sign the petition?
>> Should your ALS sign the petition?
>>
>> Kindest regards,
>>
>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
>> EURALO Chair
>>
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