[EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19Hi

Mon Aug 29 15:11:58 UTC 2016

Dear Erich and all,

thanks to Tatiana, Yrjö, Wolfgang, Bastiaan and all who have commented on this applicant -- and I sense some (even silent) majority support so far.

Please allow me a comment or hesitation on your suggestion below, Erich. I agree with your principal considerations below but we should be careful to impose some new and stricter rules on this applicant than we did before -- or more rigid standards that wouldn't apply to all of our current members.

In the broader context of course I support respective explorations by the on-going At-Large Review and ALS-engagements groups to improve our "conditions, standards or quality-checks on a regular basis", as you suggested.

Just my 2 cents with
kind regards,
Wolf

Schweighofer Erich wrote Mon, 29 Aug 2016 13:30:
>Dear all,
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>To be clear: I am very much in favour of the application of Article 19 - from my engagement in human rights I know it is a well-established NGO  - but we may ask for some accountability mechanism, e.g. establishing an open community of internet users interested in the work of Article 19 that gives substantive advice and guidance after proper information and consultation by the organization. It should not be very formal - like the condition of membership - but effective. It is also evident that every organization - membership-based or not - has the master the challenge of community engagement these times. We should make it a condition, working on standards, checking on a regular basis the quality, but shall not insist on formalities. Accountability, in particular of NGOs, is still in development to better standards.
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>Best,
>Erich
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>Von: Yrjö Länsipuro [mailto:yrjo_lansipuro at hotmail.com]
>Gesendet: Samstag, 27. August 2016 12:09
>An: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"; Tatiana Tropina; Schweighofer Erich
>Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe
>Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19Hi
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>Hi all,
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>Article 19 is not a bottom-up organization (board of trustees completed by co-option, few opportunities for grassroots participation apart from subscribing to a newsletter and making a donation) but I would still warmly support its membership in EURALO. It would greatly add to our substance resources when it comes to FoE aspects of our role defending the interests of the end users.
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>The list of our ALS's already presents a great diversity of organizations; one size does not fit all. I would argue that diversity is a richness and an asset.
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>According to their website, Article 19 Board of Trustees is composed of people seriously engaged in working for FoE in various countries of the world. As an NGO under British law, it is regulated by the UK Charity Commission and Companies House.
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>Yrjö
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>From: euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> <euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de<mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>>
>Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:33 PM
>To: Tatiana Tropina; Schweighofer Erich
>Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe
>Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19
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>I support here Tanya,
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>if we get more substantial engagement from Article 19, this will be good for ALAC and CS in ICANN.
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>wolfgang
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>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> im Auftrag von Tatiana Tropina
>Gesendet: Sa 27.08.2016 10:23
>An: Schweighofer Erich
>Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe
>Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19
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>Dear Erich,
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>I believe that some of the existing ALS - both in Europe and at other
>At-Large - won't meet the criteria listed by you, which is normal. The
>diversity of players in the protection of individual users rights varies
>from societies with membership to academic centres (and the "democratic
>outreach of them if, frankly speaking, not compatible). I think if we are
>talking about criteria, we have to be fair. If there is something to be
>established in the future - let it be so, but for now not all of the
>membership can exactly fit into what you described. So while you raise a
>very important issues for the future, I think for now Article 19 might be
>rather treated fairly and accordingly under the existing rules.
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>Warm regards
>Tanya
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>On 27 August 2016 at 09:55, Schweighofer Erich <
>erich.schweighofer at univie.ac.at<mailto:erich.schweighofer at univie.ac.at>> wrote:
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>> The main problem remains the lack of "roots" of the organisation. They
>> have no members, no "democratic outreach". We should not be too formal but
>> we may request structures having a similar effect (e.g. lists of "members"
>> for this goal, regular meetings, votes on officers and policies of Article
>> 19 ICANN involvement etc.
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>> Having studies accountability for a while - a main element are established
>> procedures of involvement of the interested public, information and
>> consultation are not sufficient. It is also important that elected officers
>> make policies, not the staff.
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>> Best, Erich Schweighofer
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>> *Von:* euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto:
>> euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>] *Im Auftrag von *Tatiana
>> Tropina
>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 27. August 2016 09:44
>> *An:* Wolf Ludwig
>> *Cc:* Discussion for At-Large Europe
>> *Betreff:* Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS /
>> Article 19
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>> Dear all,
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>> I just joined EURALO a couple of days ago, so I couldn't attend the
>> monthly call, where the Article 19's application to join ALS was discussed.
>> So I would like to use this opportunity to communicate on the mailing list
>> and express my support to this application.
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>> I collaborated with Article 19 on several occasions in the IG space in
>> general and at ICANN in particular. I am sure that their work and their
>> values perfectly suit the aims of EURALO, namely, to ensure that end users
>> benefit from the daily use of the Internet and enjoy security, privacy and
>> consumer protection. As to the structure of this organisation - yes, they
>> do have offices in some other countries, but their "home" is in Europe,
>> because they are incorporated in the United Kingdom. Their main office is
>> located in London, and that's where all the coordination and operations are
>> carried out from. Europe is where they belong, and I am happy that our
>> region has such an organisation that successfully advocates for digital
>> rights not only on the regional level, but much wider. We all know that
>> Internet has no borders: the rights the European organisaiton - Article 19
>> - is advocating for are universal.
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>> I hope this application gets approved and we will welcome Article 19 as
>> the new EURALO member.
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>> Warm regards
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>> Tatiana Tropina
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>> On 26 Aug 2016 14:42, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig at comunica-ch.net<mailto:wolf.ludwig at comunica-ch.net>> wrote:
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>> Dear all,
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>> as discussed at our last monthly call, some of you wanted to see and
>> verify the DD form of our recent applicant Article 19.
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>> As already said or noted at our call by some of us, Article 19 is not a
>> "typical" At-Large structure or association and not only based in one
>> particular country in our region but a cross-regional network (comparable
>> to our EURALO Ind. Assoc. or ISOC chapters).
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>> Those who know the background of Article 19 already have expressed some
>> support that this applicant would fit into the diversity of our RALO. The
>> discussion is open -- over to you. Thanks for your consideration and
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>> kind regards,
>> Wolf
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>> staff at atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff at atlarge.icann.org> sent Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:31:
>> >Dear Wolf,
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>> >On the 04 August 2016 we received a EURALO ALS application from Article
>> 19.
>> >Please find the Due Diligence form and statue attached.
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>> >We kindly ask you to provide us with the regional advice for this ALS in
>> >your capacity as EURALO Secretary. Your advice will support the ALAC
>> review
>> >on this application.
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>> >According to our timeline for ALS applications the due date for the
>> regional
>> >advice is on 22 September 2016.
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>> >We would like to remind you that the DD form could contain sensitive
>> >information. Please avoid sharing the form with third parties.
>> >
>> >Kind regards,
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>> >Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie
>> >Peregrine, Terri Agnew and Yesim Nazlar
>> >ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
>> >E-mail: staff at atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff at atlarge.icann.org> <mailto:staff at atlarge.icann.org>
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