[EURO-Discuss] [Euralo-ml] Completing Work on the Bylaws
Nick Ashton-Hart
nashton at spamcop.net
Wed Nov 29 04:47:39 CST 2006
Depends upon what you meant by the line: did you mean that I was
altering the text, as I mentioned? If so, that's how I remember it and
I did already make that change. That's the only clarifying I remember
that I was to do.
Nick
On 29/11/06, Dr. Christoph Bruch <bruch at humanistische-union.de> wrote:
> Hi Nick:
>
> I rephrased the sentence concerning the criteria for the place of
> incorporation.
>
> Did I get you right, you are objecting to the sentence
> "Will clarify his suggestion: role and relationship of GA and standing
> committee"?
>
> I will delete this sentence if that is the case.
>
> Christoph
>
>
> ______________________________________________
> Dr. Christoph Bruch Humanistische Union
> Neue Christstr. 6 Greifswalder Str. 4
> 14059 Berlin 10405 Berlin
> Tel/Fax: (030) 32103282Tel: (030) 20450256
> Fax: (030) 20450257
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: euralo-ml-bounces at euralo.eu [mailto:euralo-ml-bounces at euralo.eu] Im
> Auftrag von Nick Ashton-Hart
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. November 2006 23:10
> An: EURALO Mailing-List; euro-als at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Betreff: Re: [Euralo-ml] Completing Work on the Bylaws
>
> Just a couple of points:
>
> On place of incorporation, I didn't suggest those two criteria, those
> were the criteria which were decided upon in Berlin (minor point but I
> thought I'd mention it).
>
> With respect to the General Assembly: I don't believe I was to clarify
> the role with respect to the Standing Committee, except for the
> one-word change which was suggested (which is on the Wiki). Perhaps
> that's what you meant Christophe :)
>
> On 28/11/06, bruch <bruch at zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> > Dear All,
> >
> > please find attached my notes from the Athens meeting.
> >
> > I marked them as draft in case any of the participants has additions or
> > corrections.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Christoph
> >
> >
> > _____________________
> > Dr. Christoph Bruch
> > Neue Christstr. 6
> > 14059 Berlin
> > Tel./Fax: +49 (0)30 - 3210 3282
> >
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: euralo-ml-bounces at euralo.eu [mailto:euralo-ml-bounces at euralo.eu] Im
> > Auftrag von Nick Ashton-Hart
> > Gesendet: Samstag, 18. November 2006 16:28
> > An: EURALO Mailing-List
> > Cc: philippe at epistrophe.fr
> > Betreff: [Euralo-ml] Completing Work on the Bylaws
> >
> > Hello everyone!
> >
> > I'm sorry it has taken this long to get back to you after the IGF Meeting,
> > but we are in the throes of preparing for the Sao Paulo meeting which is
> > consuming pretty much everyone in any way connected with it. You will at
> > some point be receiving further notes from this meeting courtesy of
> > Christophe Bruch.
> >
> > I have updated the Wiki - removing more bot spam - and including the
> > amendments which were discussed and agreed by the participants in the EU
> ALS
> > Meeting at the Internet Governance Forum. Of course anyone is completely
> > within their rights to put forward a contrary view.
> >
> > What was suggested at that meeting, to make it easier to see changes
> > proposed in these last stages of editing the text, is that new text would
> be
> > in BOLD, and deleted text would be in brackets and ITALICISED.
> >
> > Accordingly you will find that there are a few bold provisions now - and
> > there are details in the annotated discussion page showing the history of
> > revisions.
> >
> > As you'll see below, we are technically at the end of the period for
> > proposing further edits to the text. However, I have been to busy to do
> all
> > of the work associated with the various stages. The Sao Paulo meeting is
> in
> > 10 days and I know several of us will be fully engaged in preparing to go
> to
> > it.
> >
> > May I suggest the following:
> >
> > 1) The two week period for putting forward additional provisions is
> > continued through the 10th December.
> >
> > 2) At that point, I will send out the summaries as provided below for the
> > week of the 20th - 26th November, and the following week we will proceed
> as
> > if it was the period from 27th November to 3 December.
> >
> > This will still allow us to (hopefully) conclude the Bylaws by the end of
> > the year.
> >
> > Naturally any thoughts that anyone has are most welcomed!
> >
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> >
> > From: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nashton at spamcop.net>
> > Date: 1 November 2006 17:52:41 GMT
> > To: "EURALO Mailing-List" <euralo-ml at euralo.eu>
> > Subject: Procedure for Completing Work on the Bylaws
> >
> > Good evening all:
> >
> > As a number of you have noted, there is a necessity for additional
> > time to be inserted in the procedure that was proposed (and which
> no
> > objections were raised about). After talking with Annette,
> Roberto,
> > and others, we propose that the first stage would insert an
> > additional
> > two weeks into the phase which was to conclude this Monday.
> >
> > This, then, would be the timeline, which of course will be
> discussed
> > tomorrow:
> >
> > PERIOD THROUGH 19th NOVEMBER
> >
> > During this period:
> >
> > 1) Everyone should look at the text as a whole. If they:
> > a. OBJECT to a provision, say so clearly, state the
> objection,
> > and
> > propose the modification they wish to see –in formal text for
> direct
> > inclusion in the document – along with the reason for the
> objection;
> > b. WISH TO ADD a provision, make that clear, and propose the
> > change –
> > send the list the actual text for inclusion in the document, and
> the
> > reasons for proposing the addition..
> > c. WISH TO COMMENT ABOUT OR QUERY a provision: state clearly
> > whether
> > it is a comment or query, followed by the query or comment.
> >
> > NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with anything. SILENCE
> > WILL
> > BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT.
> >
> > If you wish some assistance in drafting a provision you wish to
> > change/add, Nick will be happy to help you; just send him a note
> and
> > ask him to ring, or to comment on something you have drafted.
> >
> > As amendments and proposals come in, Nick will include them in the
> > Wiki, again along with the proposer, the date and subject of the
> > email
> > in which the proposal was made.
> >
> > Nick will send a reminder email at the beginning of the week of
> the
> > 13th November, reminding everyone that one week remains to make
> the
> > comments requested above. He will place a call to each ALS
> > representative during the course of the week to make sure they
> > understand the process, and to offer any assistance in drafting
> that
> > may be required if they have an issue. He will also ask if any
> ALS
> > is
> > happy to let the others decide on the remaining issues; where an
> ALS
> > states that is the case, Nick will tell them that they need to
> make
> > that clear by a posting to the list. Of course, any ALS may change
> > their mind about this at any point; we just want everyone to know
> > that
> > none of the ALSes have somehow missed out on what is going on.
> >
> > WEEK OF 20-26 NOVEMBER
> >
> > At the beginning of the week, Nick will send out:
> >
> > 1) An email with all sections for which no comments have been
> > received, and no amendments proposed or objections raised. The
> email
> > will make clear that this is the case, and clearly state that if
> no
> > objection is received in the course of the week, those clauses for
> > which no objection or amendments have been proposed will be
> presumed
> > to be accepted by consensus and closed to future amendments.
> > 2) An individual email for each section where there are
> > multiple
> > options, or where amendments have been suggested, with
> instructions
> > at
> > the top which ask for the following actions, by the end of the
> week:
> >
> > 1) If changes have been proposed in the previous week, draw
> > attention to them;
> > 2) Where there are multiple options for a given clause, draw
> > attention
> > to it and ask that everyone select the options in order of
> > acceptability, with the first option chosen being most preferred,
> > and
> > the last option chosen being least preferred.
> > 3) If any options are substantially the same (or have the
> same
> > effect), it is hoped that the proposers will combine them into one
> > option, in order to leave only substantively different options "on
> > the
> > table".
> >
> > NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with any element.
> SILENCE
> > WILL BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT.
> >
> > Nick will ring around to each ALS near the end of the week to
> again
> > make sure that nobody has misunderstood the deadlines for
> > responding,
> > or missed out on any of the emails sent as above, or has any
> issues
> > to
> > raise otherwise.
> >
> > As with the previous week, As amendments and proposals come in,
> Nick
> > will include them in the Wiki, again along with the proposer, the
> > date
> > and subject of the email in which the proposal was made.
> >
> > WEEK OF 27 NOVEMBER - 3 DECEMBER
> >
> > At the beginning of the week, an email with a summary of
> > comments/objections received in the previous week on the various
> > individual sections will be sent out. Where multiple options were
> > selected in order of acceptability, all but the two most
> acceptable
> > will be removed. There are three types of emails that will be sent
> > out, corresponding to the individual emails from the previous week
> > and
> > covering the same areas of the text
> >
> > 1) Where a given section was sent out the previous week with
> no
> > comments received or objections raised, if no objections were
> made,
> > that section will be assumed to be agreed and closed for
> amendments.
> > 2) Where a section was sent out with amendments proposed, if
> no
> > objections were received to an amendment, that amendment will be
> > assumed to be agreed and closed for further amendments.
> > 3) Where remaining sections are still not agreed, a summary
> of
> > the
> > comments received will be provided. The group will then have to
> > decide
> > on the mailing list how to resolve remaining areas of
> disagreement.
> >
> > The Wiki will be updated as before to reflect the current state of
> > the
> > whole text, to allow reading of it there.
> >
> > ABOUT THE SILENCE = AGREEMENT element of the process: This is
> > proposed
> > not because anyone wishes to exclude any views, but in the
> interest
> > of
> > finishing work on the Bylaws in a reasonable timeframe. If a
> > positive
> > vote was required at each stage of the process, it would be very
> > complex to get to an agreement in any reasonable timeframe. As a
> > consequence, we recommend the silent assent procedure but we want
> > everyone to know that everyone's views are wanted; everyone's
> point
> > of
> > view will be equally respected, and a part of the reason Nick will
> > telephone around to all ALSes twice is to make sure that nobody
> has
> > accidentally forgotten or overlooked deadlines, so that all ALSes
> > can
> > be assured of having an equal voice in the provisions of the
> bylaws.
> >
> > ----
> > The following was the procedure as originally proposed. It is
> > reproduced here so that everyone can see the variations between
> what
> > is above, which are minor, and the original:
> >
> >
> > WEEK OF 9-15 OCTOBER
> >
> > Nick will edit the text on the Wiki so that the source of all
> > changes
> > from the text as at the end of the Berlin Meeting on 17th
> September
> > are clearly documented. This will include showing the proposer of
> > the
> > change, the date and subject line of the email in which the change
> > is
> > discussed, so that it is easier and more transparent process-wise
> > for
> > everyone to understand the evolution of the document, especially
> > with
> > the rapid development of the last two weeks.
> >
> > Once this is done, he will
> >
> > 1) Announce that the changes just mentioned have been made, and in
> > that announcement also send out the following documents:
> >
> > 1) The text as at the end of the 17th September meeting, in
> > Microsoft
> > Word, with the changes necessary to correct English grammar and
> > style
> > errors shown as redlined additions and deletions from the text;
> > 2) The same text, with all the necessary English revisions
> > approved,
> > so that it is easy to read the output.
> >
> > The email will also let people know that in the coming week:
> >
> > 1) Everyone should look at the text as a whole. If they:
> > a. OBJECT to a provision, say so clearly, state the
> objection,
> > and
> > propose the modification they wish to see –in formal text for
> direct
> > inclusion in the document – along with the reason for the
> objection;
> > b. WISH TO ADD a provision, make that clear, and propose the
> > change –
> > send the list the actual text for inclusion in the document, and
> the
> > reasons for proposing the addition..
> > c. WISH TO COMMENT ABOUT OR QUERY a provision: state clearly
> > whether
> > it is a comment or query, followed by the query or comment.
> >
> > NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with anything. SILENCE
> > WILL
> > BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT.
> >
> > If you wish some assistance in drafting a provision you wish to
> > change/add, Nick will be happy to help you; just send him a note
> and
> > ask him to ring, or to comment on something you have drafted.
> >
> > As amendments and proposals come in, Nick will include them in the
> > Wiki, again along with the proposer, the date and subject of the
> > email
> > in which the proposal was made.
> >
> > WEEK OF 16-22 OCTOBER
> >
> > Nick will send a reminder email to everyone to ask him or her to
> > make
> > the comments as requested immediately above during the course of
> the
> > week. He will then place a call to each ALS representative during
> > the
> > course of the week to make sure they understand the process, and
> to
> > offer any assistance in drafting that may be required if they have
> > an
> > issue. He will also ask if any ALS is happy to let the others
> > decide
> > on the remaining issues; where an ALS states that is the case,
> Nick
> > will tell them that they need to make that clear by a posting to
> the
> > list. Of course, any ALS may change their mind about this at any
> > point; we just want everyone to know that none of the ALSes have
> > somehow missed out on what is going on.
> >
> > At the end of the week, Nick will send out:
> >
> > 1) An email with all sections for which no comments have been
> > received, and no amendments proposed or objections raised. The
> email
> > will make clear that this is the case, and clearly state that if
> no
> > objection is received in the course of the week, those clauses for
> > which no objection or amendments have been proposed will be
> presumed
> > to be accepted by consensus and closed to future amendments.
> > 2) An individual email for each section where there are
> > multiple
> > options, or where amendments have been suggested, with
> instructions
> > at
> > the top which ask for the following actions, by the end of the
> week:
> >
> > 1) If changes have been proposed in the previous week, draw
> > attention to them;
> > 2) Where there are multiple options for a given clause, draw
> > attention
> > to it and ask that everyone select the options in order of
> > acceptability, with the first option chosen being most preferred,
> > and
> > the last option chosen being least preferred.
> > 3) If any options are substantially the same (or have the
> same
> > effect), it is hoped that the proposers will combine them into one
> > option, in order to leave only substantively different options "on
> > the
> > table".
> >
> > NOTE: It is not necessary to say you agree with any element.
> SILENCE
> > WILL BE TAKEN AS AGREEMENT.
> >
> > Nick will ring around to each ALS near the end of the week to
> again
> > make sure that nobody has misunderstood the deadlines for
> > responding,
> > or missed out on any of the emails sent as above, or has any
> issues
> > to
> > raise otherwise.
> >
> > As with the previous week, As amendments and proposals come in,
> Nick
> > will include them in the Wiki, again along with the proposer, the
> > date
> > and subject of the email in which the proposal was made.
> >
> > WEEK OF 23-29 OCTOBER
> >
> > At the beginning of the week, an email with a summary of
> > comments/objections received in the previous week on the various
> > individual sections will be sent out. Where multiple options were
> > selected in order of acceptability, all but the two most
> acceptable
> > will be removed. There are three types of emails that will be sent
> > out, corresponding to the individual emails from the previous week
> > and
> > covering the same areas of the text
> >
> > 1) Where a given section was sent out the previous week with
> no
> > comments received or objections raised, if no objections were
> made,
> > that section will be assumed to be agreed and closed for
> amendments.
> > 2) Where a section was sent out with amendments proposed, if
> no
> > objections were received to an amendment, that amendment will be
> > assumed to be agreed and closed for further amendments.
> > 3) Where remaining sections are still not agreed, a summary
> of
> > the
> > comments received will be provided. The group will then have to
> > decide
> > on the mailing list how to resolve remaining areas of
> disagreement.
> >
> > The Wiki will be updated as before to reflect the current state of
> > the
> > whole text, to allow reading of it there.
> >
> > ABOUT THE SILENCE = AGREEMENT element of the process: This is
> > proposed
> > not because anyone wishes to exclude any views, but in the
> interest
> > of
> > finishing work on the Bylaws in a reasonable timeframe. If a
> > positive
> > vote was required at each stage of the process, it would be very
> > complex to get to an agreement in any reasonable timeframe. As a
> > consequence, we recommend the silent assent procedure but we want
> > everyone to know that everyone's views are wanted; everyone's
> point
> > of
> > view will be equally respected, and a part of the reason Nick will
> > telephone around to all ALSes twice is to make sure that nobody
> has
> > accidentally forgotten or overlooked deadlines, so that all ALSes
> > can
> > be assured of having an equal voice in the provisions of the
> bylaws.
> >
> > --
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Nick Ashton-Hart
> > PO Box 32160
> > London N4 2XY
> > United Kingdom
> > UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> --
> Regards,
>
> Nick Ashton-Hart
> PO Box 32160
> London N4 2XY
> United Kingdom
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>
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> colleagues, I have made a donation in your name to Medecins Sans
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FESTIVE GREETINGS! As per usual, in lieu of cards for friends and
colleagues, I have made a donation in your name to Medecins Sans
Frontieres, to help them provide medical care to those much less
fortunate than ourselves.
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