[EURO-Discuss] At-Large Advisory Committee Election Results

Tue Dec 12 05:30:33 CST 2006

Hi all,

I entirely agree with Jeanette's remarks and would like to underline them from a Swiss point of view! Thanks Jeanette and

regards,
Wolf

Jeanette Hofmann wrote Fri, 08 Dec 2006 13:49:03 :>
>
>Roberto Gaetano schrieb:
>> I don't think that this was the situation "by design", but rather a side
>> effect on how the bylaws are written.
>
>Hi Roberto,
>
>this is the problem with ICANN as I see it since I watch its 
>performance. There are always honorable reasons for maintaining 
>ambiguous practices or stretching rules. But from the outside, such 
>practices look somewhat fishy.
>
>In order to grow up and to gain the trust ICANN needs to do its work, it 
>is really, really necessary that ICANN establishes an equivalent to the 
>rule of law, an equivalent that provides for reliable procedures and 
>predictable decisions.
>
>Your small steps, no big waves approach makes sense from an insider's 
>perpective but from outside, it looks like more of the same muddling 
>through approach that seems so characterstic for many of ICANN's decisions.
>
>I know, I am repeating myself, I said the very same thing on another 
>list a few days ago: ICANN needs to constitutionlize itself, its actions 
>need to follow self binding rules that people know and that people can 
>appeal to if they are supposedly violated. ALAC should not be an 
>exception to this but rather a model for other constiuencies or groups 
>in ICANN.
>
>jeanette
>
>
>
>
>> We are getting there with small steps, not to create too big waves.
>> We did it with Bret as GTLD Liaison, in the moment when we were also
>> replacing another NA member (John Levine was selected).
>> We are trying this with Vittorio, as the situation is now that it would take
>> an active step by the Board to discontinue him after his expiration as ALAC
>> member, and I don't think that the Board will ever open this can of worms.
>> Then we will much better off for claiming it as established practice.
>> This is, at least, my approach. Sorry for being more careful than some of
>> you would like, but I have the impression that this strategy has paid off,
>> up to now. Also, I do believe that one thing is a proposal for candidature
>> that comes from an ALS, and another thing, with more weight, will be a
>> candidature that comes from a established RALO.
>> Cheers,
>> Roberto
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
>>> [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Jeanette Hofmann
>>> Sent: 08 December 2006 10:03
>>> To: Discussion for At-Large Europe
>>> Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] At-Large Advisory Committee 
>>> Election Results
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Roberto Gaetano schrieb:
>>>> Two additions to the comprehensive explanation by Vittorio.
>>>>
>>>> There is nothing that prevents Vittorio to continue as 
>>> Board Liaison 
>>>> even if he terminates as ALAC member. Quite the contrary, 
>>> this is an 
>>>> advantage, as we will have the possibility to cover this 
>>> task without 
>>>> impacting on the other activities, that will be carried on by the 
>>>> regular members. It was already the case for Bret as GTLD Liaison.
>>> Now, this is interesting. Anybody can be nominated or run for 
>>> the position as board liaison? If this is indeed the case, 
>>> you might have got a long list of candidates if this had been 
>>> known to more people.
>>>
>>> jeanette
>>>
>>>> In the future, ALSes and RALOs will be able to influence also the 
>>>> internal mechanisms, if they discuss the matter in advance and via 
>>>> their two representatives can bring motions to the ALAC. 
>>> This, based 
>>>> on what is discussed above, might include candidatures to Liaison 
>>>> positions (but not Chair or Vice Chair positions).
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Roberto
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>>>> [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Vittorio Bertola
>>>>> Sent: 08 December 2006 09:19
>>>>> To: patrick at isoc.lu; Discussion for At-Large Europe
>>>>> Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] At-Large Advisory Committee Election 
>>>>> Results
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick Vande Walle ha scritto:
>>>>>> A few days ago, it was explained on this list that the 
>>> nomcom chair 
>>>>>> would suggest a name for the ALAC liaison. Now we see 
>>> that the ALAC 
>>>>>> actually had a vote. Who decided that and when ? Who voted
>>>>> in favour
>>>>>> on this change ? who voted against ?
>>>>> I think that there is a misunderstanding. The message that 
>>> was sent 
>>>>> some time ago was about appointing one new ALAC member 
>>> representing 
>>>>> EURALO, since Annette, who was previously sitting in one 
>>> of the two 
>>>>> EURALO seats, decided to apply for Roberto's seat - the one 
>>>>> representing ICANN and appointed by the ICANN Nomcom - and 
>>> the Nomcom 
>>>>> picked her. Thus, this frees up one of the two EURALO 
>>> seats, which, 
>>>>> until we formally incorporate EURALO and sign an MoU with 
>>> ICANN, is 
>>>>> to be filled by the ICANN Board. As soon as we sign that MoU, the 
>>>>> ICANN-Board-appointed ALAC members (they being me and whoever will 
>>>>> get appointed in place of Annette in the next few weeks) 
>>> will expire, 
>>>>> and EURALO will have to appoint two representatives in the ALAC.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ICANN Board, however, usually asks for advice before 
>>> making the 
>>>>> appointment; initially, since this is going to be a short-lived 
>>>>> appointment - we hope to finalize the EURALO process by the ICANN 
>>>>> Lisbon meeting, next March - Roberto and I suggested that we could 
>>>>> ask the Nomcom to provide another name, which would have 
>>> allowed the 
>>>>> Board to make a very quick appointment, and thus to bring the 
>>>>> appointed person here in Sao Paulo for this ICANN meeting. 
>>> However, 
>>>>> there was another proposal that the three European ALAC 
>>> members pick 
>>>>> someone instead. I strongly disagree on that, because I 
>>> think that if 
>>>>> we don't go for a quick appointment, then it should be the 
>>> ALSes who 
>>>>> suggest someone, also because it might be someone that the ALSes 
>>>>> might want to reappoint after we sign the MoU in March 
>>> (though there 
>>>>> is absolutely no constraint to that effect). So we discussed the 
>>>>> matter here in Sao Paulo, and all the three European ALAC members 
>>>>> agreed to make a call to the European ALSes to suggest one or more 
>>>>> names, to be then discussed and forwarded to the ICANN Board for 
>>>>> consideration; Annette is supposed to post that call shortly.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, please all of you start considering and 
>>> posting possible 
>>>>> nominees (or self-nominations) as temporary European ALAC member, 
>>>>> even if it might be just for a few months and for one 
>>> ICANN meeting 
>>>>> in Lisbon. Also, I want to make it clear that I will not 
>>> reapply for 
>>>>> my seat, I think that four years is enough and I really 
>>> want some new 
>>>>> people from this group to be able to serve on the ALAC (I 
>>> said this 
>>>>> in public before being appointed as ALAC Board liaison, so 
>>> it's not 
>>>>> connected to that).
>>>>>
>>>>> The message that Nick sent yesterday, instead, was about 
>>> the internal 
>>>>> ALAC appointments: the ALAC, as any Committee, has to appoint its 
>>>>> Chair, Vice Chairs, and also a number of liaisons to other bodies. 
>>>>> These positions are to be filled internally by the ALAC, as they 
>>>>> represent the distribution of labour among its members. In this 
>>>>> specific case, there was no established procedure, and even no 
>>>>> advance knowledge of all the nominations, so it was actually 
>>>>> impossible to have any further consultation - it was all decided 
>>>>> yesterday at an open meeting of the ALAC. I still see it a bit 
>>>>> difficult to imagine that these positions can be filled by 
>>> a broader 
>>>>> group than the ALAC itself, since they are really connected to 
>>>>> internal balances in a 15-people group that has to work 
>>> together, but 
>>>>> I already suggested that the ALAC should have better 
>>> procedures for 
>>>>> these appointments, which could allow sufficient time to have a 
>>>>> consultation with the RALOs about the various nominees.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ciao,
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] 
>>>>> bertola.eu.org]<-----
>>>>> http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...
>>>>>
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