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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Roberto<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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There’s a much deeper issue – ICANN has spent a lot of money on a load of different programmes but has very little data to measure the ROI / KPIs etc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">If EURALO or anyone else wants to submit comments on the budget cuts they should be pragmatic and realistic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">There is no way that ICANN can keep spending money that it does not have.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">EURO-Discuss <euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 21 February 2018 at 23:07<br>
<b>To: </b>S Van Gelder <svg@milathan.ltd><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Euralo <euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [EURO-Discuss] Should EURALO sign a petition? Should you?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailOriginalBody">My personal opinion is that the question is not about the budget cuts - if cuts are needed, let it be so - but how the cuts are affecting the different stakeholders. The question for me is whether the impact
of the cuts on the different stakeholder groups is fair or whether there is one part of the community that is affected more than others.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Still, the question of whether a petition is in order or not holds. But on the other question, that is whether the affected communities should raise the issue, my position is “Yes, definitively”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Andrei is right. We need data. What is the foreseeable consequence of this budget cut on internet users? My personal opinion is that in the users community most of the outreach is through the
means that are now been reduced. This will simply mean that we put further obstacles to user participation. But we need more than just personal opinions if we want to build a case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Roberto<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On 21.02.2018, at 22:15, Stéphane Van Gelder - Milathan <</span><a href="mailto:svg@milathan.ltd"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">svg@milathan.ltd</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Completely agree with Andrei. I oppose the signing of a petition to oppose cuts. I would add to his reasons the fact that the Board Chair and the CEO have both laid down extremely well articulated
arguments for why budget cuts are needed. I would worry that a EURALO response through a petition would not only look political, it would look immature.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">If we have strong arguments as to why some cuts should not happen, let’s produce them through the usual ICANN discussion channels open to us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Stéphane <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On 21 Feb 2018, at 21:24, Andrei Kolesnikov <</span><a href="mailto:andrei@rol.ru"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">andrei@rol.ru</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">I'm against signing any petition on
</span><a href="http://change.org/"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">change.org</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">, because it sounds political. If community is against the
cut, this must be articulated with facts, numbers and names. I don't like personnel cost increase, but this is another issue. --andrei<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">2018-02-21 20:06 GMT+03:00 Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <</span><a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">ocl@gih.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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on yesterday's EURALO monthly call, the following Action Item was recorded.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/%7Eolivier.crepin-leblond" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Olivier Crepin-Leblond</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> Olivier
to follow up on the EURALO mailing list on the suggestion from Oksana for EURALO support the petition against reduction of the ICANN fellowship as well as to write an EURALO statement against the CROP elimination.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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As you know, the ICANN FY19 budget is undergoing to reduction. This will mean that some programmes are frozen, whilst others are actually reduced. The current draft of the program is showing drastic cuts in community engagement and policy. The Fellowship is
being slashed, and so is the NextGen program. The Community Regional Outreach Pilot Program (CROP) which was confirmed into the main budget as it was seen as being so helpful, is being cancelled altogether. It is a terrible state of affairs, as it appears
that ICANN has targeted community initiatives for outreach and engagement to a much greater extent that other programmes and the cuts, as a percentage of the budget for outreach and engagement initiatives are way larger than for other programmes.<br>
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You might has seen a petition out there, entitled "Stop the ICANN Budget Cuts and Save the Fellowship Program!"<br>
On last night's EURALO call, Oksana Prykhodko asked whether EURALO could be inclined to sign this petition:<br>
</span><a href="https://www.change.org/p/icann-stop-the-icann-budget-cuts-and-save-the-fellowship-program" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://www.change.org/p/icann-stop-the-icann-budget-cuts-and-save-the-fellowship-program</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br>
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The signing of a petition is highly unusual for a RALO. I can recall several occurrences of a RALO releasing its own Statement. I can also recall EURALO supporting EuroDIG as a partner - and this translates to the EURALO Chair (previously Wolf Ludwig and now
yours truly) being active in the organisation of EuroDIG. If my memory serves me right, the only time EURALO has signed a Petition, might be the signature for support of NetMundial outcomes. Perhaps can Wolf help with other potential occurences?<br>
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At the end of the day, there are no rules on whether EURALO may or may not sign this petition. So the decision is in your hands, the EURALO members.
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Should EURALO sign the petition?<br>
Should your ALS sign the petition? <br>
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Kindest regards,<br>
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Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond<br>
EURALO Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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