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BTW -- all of what I've said below are my own personal thoughts, not
EURALO.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/02/2018 17:13, Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond wrote:<br>
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Dear Michele,<br>
<br>
in a bit of a rush at present, but re: why so many people funded
to come to ICANN meetings, it is all part of building a balanced
multistakeholder community. In fact some of the people that were
funded to come were also from governments and they brought back
their experience to their government, which had positive political
implications back there. These implications cannot be calculated
by exact science, like a return on investment. But they have had
an impact in other fora such as on the ITU discussions, OECD, and
government stances out there.<br>
As for funding people to go to non-ICANN events, there are two
reasons:<br>
1. the people that go to these non-ICANN events are the community
face of ICANN and have managed to improve ICANN's image greatly
through engaging with the rest of the world<br>
2. the people that have gone to these non-ICANN events have
managed to bring more people in the ICANN processes that ended up
in leadership positions. <br>
<br>
In fact with the GDPR we have a case in point about why ICANN
needs to engage out there: whilst GDPR development was going on in
Brussels for several years, nobody at ICANN listened when
community members pointed out that it was important to be not only
aware but engage in the discussions. ICANN's failure to address
this because it was too busy looking at its own self image of IANA
Stewardship Transition & ICANN Accountability, has now put it
in front of a serious problem, namely that it is completely
unprepared a few months from enforcement. So OK now we're working
on GDPR, but what else is out there, waiting to bite us? There is
a continuum of more stuff coming our way and having community
members out there as both lookouts and emissaries is way cheaper
than having a department of over 50 staff working on this. In
fact, supporting the community to perform this task is a very
economical way to do it as you don't need to pay them salaries.<br>
<br>
But I do agree, though, that there should be improvements to the
accountability of who is sent out there, with "bad actors", those
who are using the system for tourism, being blacklisted so they do
not continue to abuse the system. <br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/02/2018 13:15, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Roberto Gaetano <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com"
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<b>Date: </b>Friday 23 February 2018 at 13:56<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><michele@blacknight.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>S Van Gelder <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:svg@milathan.ltd" moz-do-not-send="true"><svg@milathan.ltd></a>,
Euralo <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [EURO-Discuss] Should EURALO sign a
petition? Should you?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Michele, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with you - the matter is very
complex, that’s why I have difficulties in reducing it to
a petition yes/no. What we need to do is to have a deeper
analysis on the budget and the priorities. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This said, my gut feeling is that the
cuts do not apply in a fair way neither geopolitically
nor by stakeholder type. But this is a consequence of he
fact that there is no discussion about the priorities.
The big question is whether outreach, in particular
towards the less represented stakeholder (Internet
users), is a priority and whether geopolitical
representation is a priority. If we fail to stand up and
bringing this issue to the table, with data and
convincing arguments and not just gut feeling or
self-serving arguments, then we cannot complain.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Roberto<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 23.02.2018, at 13:11,
Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Roberto</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><br>
There’s a much deeper issue – ICANN has spent
a lot of money on a load of different
programmes but has very little data to measure
the ROI / KPIs etc</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">If EURALO
or anyone else wants to submit comments on the
budget cuts they should be pragmatic and
realistic.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">There is
no way that ICANN can keep spending money that
it does not have.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Mr
Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside
Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">From:<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">EURO-Discuss <<a
href="mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Roberto Gaetano <<a
href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday
21 February 2018 at 23:07<br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>S
Van Gelder <<a
href="mailto:svg@milathan.ltd"
moz-do-not-send="true">svg@milathan.ltd</a>><br>
<b>Cc:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Euralo
<<a
href="mailto:euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re:
[EURO-Discuss] Should EURALO sign a
petition? Should you?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailOriginalBody"
moz-do-not-send="true">My personal opinion is
that the question is not about the budget cuts
- if cuts are needed, let it be so - but how
the cuts are affecting the different
stakeholders. The question for me is whether
the impact of the cuts on the different
stakeholder groups is fair or whether there is
one part of the community that is affected
more than others.<o:p></o:p></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Still,
the question of whether a petition is in
order or not holds. But on the other
question, that is whether the affected
communities should raise the issue, my
position is “Yes, definitively”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Andrei
is right. We need data. What is the
foreseeable consequence of this budget cut
on internet users? My personal opinion is
that in the users community most of the
outreach is through the means that are now
been reduced. This will simply mean that we
put further obstacles to user participation.
But we need more than just personal opinions
if we want to build a case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Roberto<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On
21.02.2018, at 22:15, Stéphane Van
Gelder - Milathan <</span><a
href="mailto:svg@milathan.ltd"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="color:purple">svg@milathan.ltd</span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Completely
agree with Andrei. I oppose the
signing of a petition to oppose
cuts. I would add to his reasons the
fact that the Board Chair and the
CEO have both laid down extremely
well articulated arguments for why
budget cuts are needed. I would
worry that a EURALO response through
a petition would not only look
political, it would look immature.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">If
we have strong arguments as to why
some cuts should not happen, let’s
produce them through the usual
ICANN discussion channels open to
us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On
21 Feb 2018, at 21:24,
Andrei Kolesnikov <</span><a
href="mailto:andrei@rol.ru"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="color:purple">andrei@rol.ru</span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">I'm
against signing any
petition on</span><a
href="http://change.org/"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="color:purple">change.org</span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">,
because it sounds
political. If community
is against the cut, this
must be articulated with
facts, numbers and names.
I don't like personnel
cost increase, but this is
another issue. --andrei<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">2018-02-21
20:06 GMT+03:00 Olivier
MJ Crépin-Leblond <</span><a
href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="color:purple">ocl@gih.com</span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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on yesterday's EURALO
monthly call, the
following Action Item
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="color:purple">Olivier
Crepin-Leblond</span></span><span
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> Olivier
to follow up on
the EURALO mailing
list on the
suggestion from
Oksana for EURALO
support the
petition against
reduction of the
ICANN fellowship
as well as to
write an EURALO
statement against
the CROP
elimination.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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As you know, the
ICANN FY19 budget is
undergoing to
reduction. This will
mean that some
programmes are
frozen, whilst
others are actually
reduced. The current
draft of the program
is showing drastic
cuts in community
engagement and
policy. The
Fellowship is being
slashed, and so is
the NextGen program.
The Community
Regional Outreach
Pilot Program (CROP)
which was confirmed
into the main budget
as it was seen as
being so helpful, is
being cancelled
altogether. It is a
terrible state of
affairs, as it
appears that ICANN
has targeted
community
initiatives for
outreach and
engagement to a much
greater extent that
other programmes and
the cuts, as a
percentage of the
budget for outreach
and engagement
initiatives are way
larger than for
other programmes.<br>
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You might has seen a
petition out there,
entitled "Stop the
ICANN Budget Cuts
and Save the
Fellowship Program!"<br>
On last night's
EURALO call, Oksana
Prykhodko asked
whether EURALO could
be inclined to sign
this petition:<br>
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The signing of a
petition is highly
unusual for a RALO.
I can recall several
occurrences of a
RALO releasing its
own Statement. I can
also recall EURALO
supporting EuroDIG
as a partner - and
this translates to
the EURALO Chair
(previously Wolf
Ludwig and now yours
truly) being active
in the organisation
of EuroDIG. If my
memory serves me
right, the only time
EURALO has signed a
Petition, might be
the signature for
support of
NetMundial outcomes.
Perhaps can Wolf
help with other
potential
occurences?<br>
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At the end of the
day, there are no
rules on whether
EURALO may or may
not sign this
petition. So the
decision is in your
hands, the EURALO
members.<span
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Should EURALO sign
the petition?<br>
Should your ALS sign
the petition?<span
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Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond<br>
EURALO Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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