<div dir="ltr">Dear Erich,<div><br><div>I believe that some of the existing ALS - both in Europe and at other At-Large - won't meet the criteria listed by you, which is normal. The diversity of players in the protection of individual users rights varies from societies with membership to academic centres (and the "democratic outreach of them if, frankly speaking, not compatible). I think if we are talking about criteria, we have to be fair. If there is something to be established in the future - let it be so, but for now not all of the membership can exactly fit into what you described. So while you raise a very important issues for the future, I think for now Article 19 might be rather treated fairly and accordingly under the existing rules.</div><div><br></div><div>Warm regards</div><div>Tanya </div><div> </div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 27 August 2016 at 09:55, Schweighofer Erich <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at" target="_blank">erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The main problem remains the lack of „roots“ of the organisation. They have no members, no “democratic outreach”. We should not be too formal but
we may request structures having a similar effect (e.g. lists of “members” for this goal, regular meetings, votes on officers and policies of Article 19 ICANN involvement etc.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Having studies accountability for a while – a main element are established procedures of involvement of the interested public, information and
consultation are not sufficient. It is also important that elected officers make policies, not the staff.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-<wbr>lists.icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">euro-discuss-bounces@<wbr>atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Tatiana Tropina<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 27. August 2016 09:44<br>
<b>An:</b> Wolf Ludwig<br>
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<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just joined EURALO a couple of days ago, so I couldn't attend the monthly call, where the Article 19's application to join ALS was discussed. So I would like to use this opportunity to communicate on the mailing list and express my support
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<p class="MsoNormal">I collaborated with Article 19 on several occasions in the IG space in general and at ICANN in particular. I am sure that their work and their values perfectly suit the aims of EURALO, namely, to ensure that end users benefit from the daily
use of the Internet and enjoy security, privacy and consumer protection. As to the structure of this organisation - yes, they do have offices in some other countries, but their "home" is in Europe, because they are incorporated in the United Kingdom. Their
main office is located in London, and that's where all the coordination and operations are carried out from. Europe is where they belong, and I am happy that our region has such an organisation that successfully advocates for digital rights not only on the
regional level, but much wider. We all know that Internet has no borders: the rights the European organisaiton - Article 19 - is advocating for are universal.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope this application gets approved and we will welcome Article 19 as the new EURALO member. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 26 Aug 2016 14:42, "Wolf Ludwig" <<a href="mailto:wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net" target="_blank">wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all,<br>
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as discussed at our last monthly call, some of you wanted to see and verify the DD form of our recent applicant Article 19.<br>
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As already said or noted at our call by some of us, Article 19 is not a "typical" At-Large structure or association and not only based in one particular country in our region but a cross-regional network (comparable to our EURALO Ind. Assoc. or ISOC chapters).<br>
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Those who know the background of Article 19 already have expressed some support that this applicant would fit into the diversity of our RALO. The discussion is open -- over to you. Thanks for your consideration and<br>
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<a href="mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org" target="_blank">staff@atlarge.icann.org</a> sent Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:31:<br>
>Dear Wolf,<br>
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>On the 04 August 2016 we received a EURALO ALS application from Article 19.<br>
>Please find the Due Diligence form and statue attached.<br>
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>We kindly ask you to provide us with the regional advice for this ALS in<br>
>your capacity as EURALO Secretary. Your advice will support the ALAC review<br>
>on this application.<br>
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>According to our timeline for ALS applications the due date for the regional<br>
>advice is on 22 September 2016.<br>
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>We would like to remind you that the DD form could contain sensitive<br>
>information. Please avoid sharing the form with third parties.<br>
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