<div dir="ltr">Hello all, <div><br></div><div>Just wanted to add that I totally agree on the set in the correspondence priorities of EURALO&#39; activities. (Yet, having priorities means also that several tasks are followed. </div><div><br></div><div>Looking at the issue as simple as possible - if there are bylaws, these have to be complying with the real situation. </div><div><br></div><div>So, I would like to thank Olivier for the very practical advice on the way to move forward with this issue.</div><div><br>In this way, the discussion on the bylaws&#39; review could be at least outlined in order to proceed with it after Dublin. </div><div><br></div><div>All the best, </div><div>Plamena </div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-08-03 19:42 GMT+03:00 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Hello all,<br>
    <br>
    I have been following with great interest the thread about
    examination of Bylaws from its start and I apologise if I have not
    been active earlier but I was busy in recent weeks.<br>
    <br>
    In my opinion, the very fact that we are having this conversation
    makes me think that we will indeed need to review the EURALO Bylaws.
    But we also have to be aware of one thing: whilst Bylaws Review
    might be interesting for a subset of EURALO members, a discussion
    about the Bylaws during our EURALO General Assembly in Dublin will
    bore most people in the room, especially people who are not lawyers.<br>
    <br>
    I therefore suggest the following:<br>
    <br>
    1. A EURALO Bylaws Review group could be formed, with its own
    mailing list and it should select a Chair to drive the Bylaw Review
    work forward. It will start its work as soon as its Chair decides to
    move forward.<br>
    2. In Dublin, the EURALO Bylaws Review Working Group will meet face
    to face to make good use of the ability to meet face to face, to
    make as much progress as possible on the Bylaws revision. It could
    spend 90 minutes working face to face (which is the usual length of
    a full ICANN Session). Staff could arrange for a room/time for the
    group to meet.<br>
    3. In Dublin, the EURALO Bylaws working group will have 10-15
    minutes (including question time) during the EURALO General Assembly
    to explain their progress to the other EURALO members.<br>
    <br>
    I do not expect the work to progress so quickly for the EURALO
    Bylaws Review to be ready to have a full set of proposed revisions
    for the whole of EURALO to decide on. Time is just way too short.<br>
    I also expect that this working group will not take all of EURALO
    member time, and thus hope that EURALO members will be able to
    engage in many other projects. <br>
    <br>
    Indeed, I am especially keen to see EURALO members engage in ICANN
    Policy Work and am thrilled to note that some of our ALSes have
    recently commented directly in ICANN policy processes. If only I
    could convince their representative to hold the pen on some ALAC
    Statements! :-)<br>
    <br>
    For your kind reminder, you can see all of the work the ALAC does in
    Policy on: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/bwFO" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/bwFO</a><br>
    <br>
    We have BIG questions that have just opened: The IANA Stewardship
    Transition Proposal, the ICANN Accountability Proposal (which will
    open in a few hours) and the Next Generation gTLD Registration
    Directory Services to Replace WHOIS preliminary report. All of this
    is taking place during August (and some closing in early September)
    so when you are taking a break from work, choose your topic, read
    the reports, comment.<br>
    <br>
    Kindest regards,<br>
    <br>
    Olivier<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 29/07/2015 20:05, Plamena Popova
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">Dear all, 
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>It was not my intention to insist on the overcoming
          (compared to issues as IANA transition etc.) priority of
          bylaws&#39; review for EURALO nor to include this into the agenda
          for Dublin&#39; meeting. </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>On the other hand, it should be noticed that this is not
          first time when the review of bylaws is asked. </div>
        <div><br>
          The fact that the bylaws  does not correspond to the current
          situation in EURALO could not be neglected for indefinite
          period.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>As for the meaningful changes - these proposals may be a
          result of a work on the issue (though I think that some
          problems were already raised even in the above
          correspondence). </div>
        <div><br>
          So I totally agree with Chris that this represents an issue
          that should be addressed at some point after Dublin (the
          meeting could however  provide opportunity for start thinking
          on these). </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>All the best, </div>
        <div>Plamena </div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">2015-07-29 1:26 GMT+03:00 Roberto
          Gaetano <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com" target="_blank">roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="IT">
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">If there is the need to improve the
                    bylaws, of course this needs to be done.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">On the other hand, before deciding to
                    dedicate prime time in Dublin to address this point,
                    we need to be sure that we are not unnecessarily
                    postponing more important and/or urgent issues, or
                    even wasting time in pointless discussions.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">When this issue was raised a couple of
                    years ago, my question was: “What exactly do we need
                    to change and why?”</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">I still believe that, before including
                    this item in the agenda for Dublin (or even for
                    other meetings before or after Dublin), we need to
                    have a meaningful answer to this question.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Cheers,</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Roberto</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                    <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Da:</span></b><span lang="EN-US">
                          <a href="mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>
                          [mailto:<a href="mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-" target="_blank">euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-</a></span><span><a href="http://lists.icann.org" target="_blank">lists.icann.org</a>] <b>Per
                            conto di </b>Plamena Popova<br>
                          <b>Inviato:</b> martedì 28 luglio 2015 21:03<br>
                          <b>A:</b> Chris LaHatte<br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> Euralo; Oksana Prykhodko<br>
                          <b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [EURO-Discuss] nomination
                          for EURALO officers</span></p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Hello all, </p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Of course, there are
                            issues which are of immediate importance for
                            EURALO. </p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">While the need of
                            reforming the bylaws (as Chris points) is
                            also apparent and should be addressed sooner
                            or later. </p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">So, I believe that Dublin
                            will provide an opportunity to start
                            thinking on the options. </p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">All the best, </p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Plamena </p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">2015-07-28 10:53
                            GMT+03:00 Chris LaHatte &lt;<a href="mailto:chris.lahatte@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:chris.lahatte@icann.org" target="_blank">chris.lahatte@icann.org</a>&gt;:</p>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">I agree with the
                                priorities Bill. But sooner or later,
                                this does need to be tackled, perhaps
                                after Dublin. It&#39;s not very exciting of
                                course, perhaps a project for a keen
                                young newbie?<br>
                                <br>
                                Sent from my iPad</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                                    On 28/07/2015, at 7:30 pm, William
                                    Drake &lt;<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                    wrote:</p>
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                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Hi </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">It is not
                                        entirely evident to me from the
                                        discussion thus far that a
                                        bylaws revision is the most
                                        pressing challenge facing
                                        Euralo.  I suppose there may
                                        well be some ways in which they
                                        could be improved, but I doubt
                                        these account for e.g.
                                        relatively low engagement and
                                        productivity in ICANN policy
                                        processes.  I’d think we would
                                        want to see what could be done
                                        about that first.  Wolf’s good
                                        suggestion of focusing the
                                        Dublin discussion on European
                                        user perspectives on the global
                                        public interest would seem to
                                        offer the possibility of a
                                        vibrant discussion, which could
                                        lead to people feeling primed to
                                        go further and build some
                                        momentum as a community. 
                                        Concentrating on bylaws or
                                        apparent historical
                                        interpersonal disputes would
                                        probably have the opposite
                                        effect.  So why not set
                                        priorities and then tackle
                                        things in sequence?</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Best</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Bill</p>
                                    </div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                    <div>
                                      <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal">On Jul
                                            26, 2015, at 11:54 PM, Chris
                                            LaHatte &lt;<a href="mailto:chris.lahatte@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:chris.lahatte@icann.org" target="_blank">chris.lahatte@icann.org</a>&gt;
                                            wrote:</p>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">If
                                                  I may add my views, it
                                                  may be useful, when
                                                  members have the time
                                                  (and I do know this is
                                                  a frantically busy
                                                  time for our
                                                  volunteers with the
                                                  IANA discussions), to
                                                  start a bylaw review.
                                                  Members will be aware
                                                  that some issues have
                                                  arisen about
                                                  interpretation, and
                                                  perhaps when the WGs
                                                  have finished the
                                                  current rounds of
                                                  talks, someone could
                                                  initiate this.</span></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Regards</span></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                            </div>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Chris
                                                  LaHatte</span></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Ombudsman</span></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Blog  <a href="https://omblog.icann.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="https://omblog.icann.org/" target="_blank">https://omblog.icann.org/</a></span></p>
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                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Webpage <a href="http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman" target="_blank">http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman</a></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Confidentiality</span></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">All
                                                  matters brought before
                                                  the Ombudsman shall be
                                                  treated as
                                                  confidential.  The
                                                  Ombudsman shall also
                                                  take all reasonable
                                                  steps necessary to
                                                  preserve the privacy
                                                  of, and to avoid harm
                                                  to, those parties not
                                                  involved in the
                                                  complaint being
                                                  investigated by the
                                                  Ombudsman.The
                                                  Ombudsman shall only
                                                  make inquiries about,
                                                  or advise staff or
                                                  Board members of the
                                                  existence and identity
                                                  of, a complainant in
                                                  order to further the
                                                  resolution of the
                                                  complaint.  The
                                                  Ombudsman shall take
                                                  all reasonable steps
                                                  necessary to ensure
                                                  that if staff and
                                                  Board members are made
                                                  aware of the existence
                                                  and identity of a
                                                  complainant, they
                                                  agree to maintain the
                                                  confidential nature of
                                                  such information,
                                                  except as necessary to
                                                  further the resolution
                                                  of a complaint</span></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a></span> [<a href="mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>] <b>On
                                                    Behalf Of </b>Plamena
                                                  Popova<br>
                                                  <b>Sent:</b> Sunday,
                                                  July 26, 2015 4:11 AM<br>
                                                  <b>To:</b> Wolf Ludwig
                                                  &lt;<a href="mailto:wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="mailto:wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net" target="_blank">wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net</a>&gt;<br>
                                                  <b>Cc:</b> Discussion
                                                  for At-Large Europe
                                                  &lt;<a href="mailto:euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="mailto:euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>&gt;;
                                                  Oksana Prykhodko &lt;<a href="mailto:sana.pryhod@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="mailto:sana.pryhod@gmail.com" target="_blank">sana.pryhod@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                                  <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                                  [EURO-Discuss]
                                                  nomination for EURALO
                                                  officers</p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">Hello
                                                  Wolf, </p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                    Thanks a lot for the
                                                    detailed reply and
                                                    clarifications :) It
                                                    is much easier to
                                                    understand the whole
                                                    picture now. </p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Unfortunately,
                                                    I was not able to
                                                    take part in these
                                                    discussions till
                                                    this moment. </p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                    As stated above, the
                                                    initial intention
                                                    was to register
                                                     EURALO in Germany
                                                    and the Bylaws
                                                    follow basically the
                                                    german law&#39;
                                                    requirements (and
                                                    this is why the
                                                    registration is
                                                    mentioned in the
                                                    bylaws itself). </p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">So
                                                    I was thinking - if
                                                    the initial
                                                    intention (for
                                                    registration) is
                                                    abandoned (due to
                                                    the following
                                                    discussions and
                                                    compromises within
                                                    the association) may
                                                    be it would be
                                                    proper the bylaws to
                                                    be adapted to the
                                                    new situation? </p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Eventual
                                                    review and
                                                    adaptation of the
                                                    bylaws may be a good
                                                    idea in order these
                                                    to serve to the
                                                    current/actual
                                                    will/perception of
                                                    the EURALO&#39; members
                                                    of the processes
                                                    within the
                                                    organisation. I keep
                                                    thinking that (the
                                                    bylaws) should be in
                                                    line with the actual
                                                    intentions of the
                                                    organisation in
                                                    question. </p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">By
                                                    the way, eventual
                                                    amendments of bylaws
                                                    are under the
                                                    competency of GA
                                                    according to the
                                                    same bylaws. Anyway
                                                    - I did not see any
                                                    specific procedure
                                                    for
                                                    review/amendments
                                                    included in the
                                                    bylaws.</p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks
                                                    again. </p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">All
                                                    the best, </p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Plamena </p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">2015-07-24
                                                    0:24 GMT+03:00 Wolf
                                                    Ludwig &lt;<a href="mailto:wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="mailto:wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net" target="_blank">wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net</a>&gt;:</p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hello
                                                    Plamena,<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    thanks for your
                                                    questions (even if
                                                    some of them have
                                                    been discussed and
                                                    answered before).
                                                    Allow me to insert
                                                    my answers below.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Plamena Popova wrote
                                                    Thu, 23 Jul 2015
                                                    19:37:<br>
                                                    (...)<br>
                                                    &gt;So a few
                                                    questions were
                                                    invoked.<br>
                                                    &gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;First I am
                                                    curious (it may be
                                                    an ignorant
                                                    question, but I
                                                    prefer to receive<br>
                                                    &gt;clarity) whether
                                                    EURALO is indeed
                                                    registered under any
                                                    legal system of any<br>
                                                    &gt;European
                                                    country?<br>
                                                    &gt;As Art. 1.1.
                                                    states &quot;1 The
                                                    Association bears
                                                    the name “ICANN
                                                    European<br>
                                                    &gt;Internet Users
                                                    Forum” (hereinafter
                                                    referred to as “The
                                                    Association”) and<br>
                                                    &gt;shall be
                                                    registered as
                                                    required by law&quot;<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    (Wolf) EURALO’s
                                                    Bylaws were drafted
                                                    between autumn 2006
                                                    and spring 2007 by
                                                    some of the founding
                                                    members (Annette
                                                    Mühlberg, Christoph
                                                    Bruch etc.) and
                                                    mainly according to
                                                    German association
                                                    law standards (which
                                                    are complex,
                                                    detailed and
                                                    strict). That’s the
                                                    reason why some
                                                    parts (e. g. Part E,
                                                    Financial matters,
                                                    Art. 7 f., parts of
                                                    Art. 9 or 10) were
                                                    designed bulky,
                                                    theoretical and
                                                    beyond the practical
                                                    requirements of
                                                    EURALO. Lighter
                                                    bylaw standards or
                                                    versions (such as
                                                    Belgian or Swiss
                                                    standards) were
                                                    unfortunately not
                                                    considered at the
                                                    time. After the
                                                    drafting was
                                                    accomplished, there
                                                    was a strong
                                                    opposition among
                                                    founding members
                                                    against an official
                                                    registration in
                                                    Germany (what is
                                                    usually a
                                                    “eingetragener
                                                    Verein” or
                                                    registered
                                                    association). The
                                                    compromise was to
                                                    have a parallel MoU
                                                    with ICANN what was
                                                    a basic requirement
                                                    for EURALO’s
                                                    recognition by ICANN
                                                    and its operation
                                                    afterwards.
                                                    Consequently, EURALO
                                                    was created inline
                                                    with the ICANN
                                                    meeting in spring
                                                    2007 in Lisbon by
                                                    signing the MoU with
                                                    ICANN (members who
                                                    signed at the time
                                                    were Annette
                                                    Mühlberg, Sébastien
                                                    Bachollet, Rudi
                                                    Vansnick, Vittorio
                                                    Bertola etc.).
                                                    Roberto Gaetano was
                                                    also closely
                                                    involved at that
                                                    time, being on the
                                                    ICANN Board more in
                                                    an “observer” role.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    &gt;So the question
                                                    invoked is in order
                                                    to clarify which law
                                                    is in fact<br>
                                                    &gt;applicable or
                                                    shall be applicable
                                                    (when and if
                                                    registered) to the<br>
                                                    &gt;Association.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    (Wolf) As mentioned
                                                    before, as there was
                                                    no compromise found
                                                    “under which law” or
                                                    in which country
                                                    EURALO should be
                                                    registered, there
                                                    was no registration
                                                    at the time. In
                                                    various European
                                                    countries a
                                                    registration is not
                                                    mandatory for
                                                    non-profit
                                                    associations (unlike
                                                    business entities).<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    &gt;As per the
                                                    current situation
                                                    (if understand it
                                                    correctly) - Euralo<br>
                                                    &gt;represents an
                                                    association (if not
                                                    registered) of
                                                    organisations (legal<br>
                                                    &gt;persons
                                                    themselves) which
                                                    activity is followed
                                                    by norms (bylaws)
                                                    whose<br>
                                                    &gt;legal nature is
                                                    quite uncertain.<br>
                                                    &gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;The Memorandum
                                                    with ICANN is signed
                                                    by single
                                                    organisations, not
                                                    by EURALO<br>
                                                    &gt;as a legal
                                                    person.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    (Wolf) The MoU with
                                                    ICANN was signed by
                                                    members /
                                                    individuals being
                                                    present in Lisbon at
                                                    the time on behalf
                                                    of their
                                                    organisations
                                                    (certified ALSes).
                                                    And not by EURALO,
                                                    as you assume, “as a
                                                    legal person”.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    &gt;So I think that
                                                    there is a point to
                                                    ask clarifications
                                                    on the legal basis.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    (Wolf) As mentioned
                                                    before, there was no
                                                    requirement for the
                                                    founding members to
                                                    create such a “legal
                                                    basis” or entity.
                                                    The operational
                                                    basis for EURALO is
                                                    the MoU with ICANN
                                                    by fulfilling
                                                    respective
                                                    requirements and the
                                                    substance of our
                                                    Bylaws like
                                                    organizing one GA
                                                    per year, presenting
                                                    and approving an
                                                    annual report,
                                                    holding elections of
                                                    officers and being
                                                    accountable towards
                                                    its members (these
                                                    are basic
                                                    prescriptions of
                                                    different European
                                                    association laws).
                                                    Over 8 years since
                                                    its inception these
                                                    rules were always
                                                    approved with vast
                                                    majorities of
                                                    EURALO’s members.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    &gt;As per the other
                                                    issues raised in the
                                                    correspondence - I
                                                    have some thoughts<br>
                                                    &gt;on these also:
                                                    Wolf is referring to
                                                    11.5.9. of the
                                                    Bylaws - so I was<br>
                                                    &gt;wondering
                                                    whether the online
                                                    voting for
                                                    Secretariat in 2013
                                                    (after the GA<br>
                                                    &gt;in Lisbon)
                                                    represents a GA
                                                    itself under the
                                                    meaning of 11.7 of
                                                    the bylaws<br>
                                                    &gt;(pointing out
                                                    specific
                                                    requirements for a
                                                    meeting online or
                                                    other to be a<br>
                                                    &gt;GA) or not.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    (Wolf) In my
                                                    previous mail you
                                                    refer to, I was
                                                    pointing to Art.
                                                    11.5.9.
                                                    (“Installation of
                                                    the Secretariat and
                                                    review of the
                                                    working of the
                                                    same“) what simply
                                                    confirms the rule
                                                    and mandate of the
                                                    GA for selecting the
                                                    Secretariat. The
                                                    “online voting for
                                                    Secretariat in 2013
                                                    after the GA in
                                                    Lisbon” – you
                                                    mentioned as well –
                                                    was based and
                                                    necessary according
                                                    to Art. 11.20. („For
                                                    all elections in the
                                                    General Assembly,
                                                    candidates shall
                                                    require an absolute
                                                    majority of votes of
                                                    the participating
                                                    members. If no
                                                    candidate receives
                                                    an absolute majority
                                                    a run-off election
                                                    shall take place
                                                    between the two
                                                    candidates with the
                                                    greatest number of
                                                    votes.“). As
                                                    repeatedly noted
                                                    before, DUE TO a
                                                    *non-absolute
                                                    majority* during the
                                                    GA the necessity of
                                                    a run-off election
                                                    was confirmed in
                                                    Lisbon by 5 Board
                                                    members
                                                    independently
                                                    checking our bylaw
                                                    prescription (Art.
                                                    11.20.) and
                                                    consequently
                                                    mandating At-Large
                                                    Staff to organize
                                                    such a subsequent
                                                    Online voting.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    I hope that my
                                                    answers and
                                                    deliberations may be
                                                    helpful.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Best regards,<br>
                                                    Wolf<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    &gt;2015-07-23 13:12
                                                    GMT+03:00 Oksana
                                                    Prykhodko &lt;<a href="mailto:sana.pryhod@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="mailto:sana.pryhod@gmail.com" target="_blank">sana.pryhod@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;
                                                    Communication in
                                                    this way can force
                                                    me to stop
                                                    discussion here, but
                                                    can&#39;t<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt; force me to
                                                    stop to act.<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt; On Wed, Jul
                                                    22, 2015 at 9:49 PM,
                                                    Wolf Ludwig &lt;<a href="mailto:wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="mailto:wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net" target="_blank">wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net</a>&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; If
                                                    there wouldn&#39;t be
                                                    &quot;any legal basis&quot;
                                                    like our Bylaws
                                                    (Chair – see Art.<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; 9.5 and
                                                    9.6 resp.
                                                    Secretariat – see
                                                    Art 11.5.9), you
                                                    couldn&#39;t have been<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; elected
                                                    for the Secretariat
                                                    end of May 2011 at
                                                    the Belgrad GA ;-)
                                                    The very<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; fact
                                                    that you were not
                                                    reelected in June
                                                    2013 (run-off vote
                                                    -- see Art.<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; 11.20)
                                                    doesn&#39;t support your
                                                    sole opinion that
                                                    there is &quot;no legal
                                                    basis&quot;.<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; And
                                                    BTW, you had your
                                                    chance to complain
                                                    against me with the
                                                    Ombudsman<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; and
                                                    your complaint was
                                                    not approved by him.
                                                    Repeating false
                                                    assumptions is<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; not
                                                    helpful at all.<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; Best,<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; Wolf<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; Oksana
                                                    Prykhodko wrote Wed,
                                                    22 Jul 2015 20:08:<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;Dear Wolf,<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;Thank you very
                                                    much for your
                                                    &quot;explanations&quot;. May
                                                    be we need something<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; more?<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;Any
                                                    legal basis, for
                                                    example?<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;Best regards,<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;Oksana<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;On
                                                    Jul 22, 2015 4:44
                                                    PM, &quot;Wolf Ludwig&quot;
                                                    &lt;<a href="mailto:wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="mailto:wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net" target="_blank">wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net</a>&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; Hello,<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; as clearly
                                                    explained at
                                                    yesterday&#39;s call,
                                                    the EURALO
                                                    leadership or<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; officers
                                                    comprise two
                                                    positions:<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; a) the
                                                    Chair and b) the
                                                    Secretariat (both
                                                    two years terms)
                                                    which need<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; to<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; be
                                                    re-elected at the
                                                    Dublin GA.<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; The call
                                                    for nominations will
                                                    we opened shortly by
                                                    At-Large Staff.<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; Best,<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; Wolf<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; Oksana
                                                    Prykhodko wrote Wed,
                                                    22 Jul 2015 11:20:<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; &gt;Dear
                                                    all,<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;Following our
                                                    yesterday
                                                    discussion, I would
                                                    like to ask to
                                                    clarify,<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; for<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; &gt;which
                                                    positions we have to
                                                    nominate?<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; &gt;I am
                                                    sure that there is
                                                    no doubt with
                                                    nomination of
                                                    Olivier for EURALO<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; &gt;Chair.<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; &gt;What is
                                                    the second position?<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; &gt;Best
                                                    regards,<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; &gt;Oksana<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; EuroDIG
                                                    Secretariat<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.eurodig.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="http://www.eurodig.org/" target="_blank">http://www.eurodig.org/</a><br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; mobile <a href="tel:%2B41%2079%20204%2083%2087" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">+41
                                                        79 204 83 87</span></a><br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; Skype:
                                                    Wolf-Ludwig<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; EURALO -
                                                    ICANN&#39;s Regional
                                                    At-Large
                                                    Organisation<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; <a href="http://euralo.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="http://euralo.org" target="_blank">http://euralo.org</a><br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; Profile on
                                                    LinkedIn<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt; <a href="http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig" target="_blank">http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig</a><br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; EuroDIG
                                                    Secretariat<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.eurodig.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="http://www.eurodig.org/" target="_blank">http://www.eurodig.org/</a><br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; mobile <a href="tel:%2B41%2079%20204%2083%2087" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">+41 79 204 83 87</span></a><br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; Skype:
                                                    Wolf-Ludwig<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; EURALO
                                                    - ICANN&#39;s Regional
                                                    At-Large
                                                    Organisation<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://euralo.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="http://euralo.org" target="_blank">http://euralo.org</a><br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; Profile
                                                    on LinkedIn<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig" target="_blank">http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig</a><br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;
                                                    _______________________________________________<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;
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                                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;&gt; Homepage
                                                    for the region: <a href="http://www.euralo.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="http://www.euralo.org" target="_blank">http://www.euralo.org</a><br>
                                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                    &gt;<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    EuroDIG Secretariat<br>
                                                    <a href="http://www.eurodig.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="http://www.eurodig.org/" target="_blank">http://www.eurodig.org/</a><br>
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                                                        79 204 83 87</span></a><br>
                                                    Skype: Wolf-Ludwig<br>
                                                    <br>
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                                                    <a href="http://euralo.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"></span></a><a href="http://euralo.org" target="_blank">http://euralo.org</a></p>
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