[EURO-Discuss] R: RE : Article 29 Party Write to ICANN again

Mon Feb 3 13:49:21 UTC 2014

I am not a lawyer, but for the little I know in Italy law trumps private
contractual agreements.
In other words, contract clauses that are not according the law are null and
void.
Shouldn't this solve the matter?
R.

> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-
> bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Michele Neylon - Blacknight
> Inviato: lunedì 3 febbraio 2014 13:07
> A: Volker Greimann; euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Oggetto: Re: [EURO-Discuss] RE : Article 29 Party Write to ICANN again
> 
> Volker
> 
> As usual you manage to put into writing much more clearly what I'd like to
> say.
> 
> The current situation as far as I am concerned is simple.
> 
> As an Irish company we must abide by Irish law.
> 
> The Irish statute book has legislation on data privacy.
> 
> We have a DPC.
> 
> Both the DPC and the statutes clearly state that we cannot retain the data
> 
> Yet ICANN is forcing us all to jump through hoops
> 
> This situation is unacceptable.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Michele
> 
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-
> bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Volker Greimann
> Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 11:57 AM
> To: euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] RE : Article 29 Party Write to ICANN again
> 
> Any future regulation currently being negotiated has no impact whatsoever
> on the current legal circumstances.
> 
> Frankly it is ridiculous to receive a feedback question of "How long _are_
you
> allowed to stora the data then?" from ICANN when the waiver request
> clearly states that no storage beyond the service provision is permitted.
> 
> Similarly ridiculous is the fact that ICANN is ignoring the Art. 29
working party
> letters with the reference that they are "just an advisory body", when
every
> single member of this body is the authoritative party responsible for
> enforcing data protection in its EU member state. So would ICANN rather
see
> the same letter being sent from each individual member of the working
> party?
> 
> Volker
> 
> 
> Am 29.01.2014 22:31, schrieb Nigel Hickson:
> > JJ and colleagues
> >
> > Good evening; the fact (as noted) that 1995 EU Directive has been
> > implemented in such varied ways (essentially one was implementing EU
> > principles in national legislation) is a fact in the challenge of
> > having one specific "carve out". The proposed Regulation (on Data
> > Protection) being negotiated in Brussels could make a difference on
> > this (as a Regulation has direct effect across EU-28).
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Nigel
> >
> > On 1/29/14 10:52 AM, "jjs" <jjs at dyalog.net> wrote:
> >
> >> @Michele +1. It would indeed be a fallacy to consider that each
> >> Member State of the EU is free to interpret EU Directives to suit its
> >> own purposes.
> >>
> >> For colleagues from horizons other than the EU, a small footnote may
> >> be
> >> useful: a Directive is not unilaterally imposed by the European
> >> Commission, but has been trashed out collectively, and thoroughly,
> >> with all the Member States. The "transposition" into national
> >> legislation is required for a Directive to have legal effect in that
> >> country, but is by no means open to alteration or corruption, once it
> >> has been agreed upon by all 28 Member States.
> >>
> >> The apparent ambiguity in parts of the English-language mass media
> >> comes
> > >from the fact that some of them are owned by individuals who are not
> >> citizens of an EU Member State (e.g. R. Murdoch, originally an
> >> Australian, assumed US citizenship in 1985) and/or pursue their own
> >> agendas.
> >>
> >> Jean-Jacques.
> >>
> >> -------- Message d'origine --------
> >> De : Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com> Date :
> >> 29/01/2014  17:09  (GMT+08:00) A :
> >> euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> Objet : [EURO-Discuss] Article 29 Party Write to ICANN again
> >>
> >> http://michele.cat/eh
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mr Michele Neylon
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