[EURO-Discuss] R: R: R: Draft Board Report (2012-13) for Lisbon GA

Roberto Gaetano roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com
Thu May 23 04:59:22 UTC 2013


Wolf, I agree that they are separate issues.
R.

> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-
> bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Wolf Ludwig
> Inviato: mercoledì 22 maggio 2013 23:58
> A: Discussion for At-Large Europe
> Cc: 'At-Large Staff'
> Oggetto: Re: [EURO-Discuss] R: R: Draft Board Report (2012-13) for Lisbon
GA
> 
> Thanks Roberto for providing such a report! But as noted before (my reply
to
> Oksana) the ICANN regional model with obvious inconsistencies (see
> Armenia etc.) and ALAC's representation rules are two different issues and
> shouldn't be confused.
> 
> Best, Wolf
> 
> 
> Roberto Gaetano wrote Wed, 22 May 2013 08:55:
> >In the next couple of days I will circulate a short report of the
> >meeting I had at ISOC Armenia, during which the issue of ICANN regions
> >has been debated.
> >I agree with Oksana, there are cases in which we have to change the
> >rules, because there are good reasons for doing so.
> >Re: the representative for multiple ALSes, I am just saying that I do
> >not see such compelling reason. But if there is one (like the case for
> >Armenia in EU rather than AP), I will change my mind.
> >Cheers,
> >R.
> >
> >
> >> -----Messaggio originale-----
> >> Da: euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >> [mailto:euro-discuss- bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di
> >> EMP
> >> Inviato: mercoledì 22 maggio 2013 08:35
> >> A: Discussion for At-Large Europe
> >> Cc: At-Large Staff
> >> Oggetto: Re: [EURO-Discuss] R: Draft Board Report (2012-13) for
> >> Lisbon GA
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> We will have today in our governmental agency round table on Cyrillic
> >> domain for Ukraine, so I was going to intervene into this discussion
> >later, but
> >> Roberto's remark forced me to change my mind)
> >>
> >> First of all, I have to say, that we are discussing now not "Board"
> >report, but
> >> only "Chair" report - I saw it for the first time few minutes before
> >> teleconference call. This is extremely serious problem for me, and i
> >> will return to this issue later.
> >>
> >> But regarding Roberto's comment, I would like to clear the problem
> >> just
> >now.
> >>
> >> I agree with Wolf and Olivier that it will be very difficult to
> >> change the
> >bylaws
> >> on this point.
> >> But besides the difficulty and complexity, what would be the *real*
> >> need
> >for
> >> such change?
> >> Honestly, I believe that our aim should be to include more and more
> >people,
> >> and electing the same representative as a leader for multiple ALSes,
> >whether
> >> in the same or different region, is going in the opposite direction.
> >> We
> >should
> >> favour more individuals to get leadership responsibilities in ALAC,
> >> not
> >have
> >> the same set of people speaking in name of more ALSes.
> >> So, I am personally against this proposal, not for the complexity of
> >> the change, but because it will move us in the wrong direction.
> >>
> >> <OP> Roberto, you are now in Armenia, and you yourself raised the
> >> issue regarding Armenia allocation to ICANN region. Armenia IS in
> >> Europe, and
> >HAS
> >> TO BE in EURALO. I am absolutely sure, that all Armenian
> >> representatives
> >are
> >> or will be extremely successful and highly appreciated in APRALO. But
> >> it
> >is
> >> EURALO's gap that WE can not use their potential in full capacity.
> >> Yes, Siranush and Narine are nearly the most regular participants of
> >> our teleconference calls (unlike majority of other members of
> >> EURALO), but it
> >is
> >> not enough.
> >>
> >> So, when I am talking about changes in the rules, I mean such
> >> exceptional cases. I am really ready to raise this issue within ALAC,
> >> at least to ask,
> >if this
> >> problem with Armenia is unique, or there are some other similar
> >> cases. If there are, I will insist on broad discussion of this issue.
> >>
> >> I am fully understand, how Wolf is frustrated with my obstinacy with
> >> this issue, but I would like to remember, that two years ago, when I
> >> tried to
> >raise
> >> visa issues for the first time, I was indisputably said (again by
> >> Wolf),
> >that
> >> ICANN is absolutely wrong place to discuss this issue. Now visa
> >> issues are
> >on
> >> ICANN agenda. (Of course, I understand, that it's not my achievement,
> >> but rather Canada merit)))). But maybe, this time I will also receive
> >> some otherworldly help?)))
> >>
> >> I am not sure that I will be on-line until the late evening, but I
> >> will
> >follow this
> >> discussion.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Oksana
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Roberto Gaetano <
> >> roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Just on 1 point, my comment below:
> >> >
> >> >> >In response to Oksana's suggestion that ALS *representatives*
> >> >> >should be able to be an ALS *representative* in another region,
> >> >> >this is forbidden in the ALAC bylaws for a reason to make sure
> >> >> >there might not be a possibility of manipulation/capture. It is
> >> >> >99.9% sure that this cannot change because any change to this
> >> >> >rule would need approval from the ALAC and approval from the
> >> >> >Board and I don't see
> >this
> >> happening ever.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Of course, there is no rule against being a simple member of
> >> >> >several ALSes. I am a member of 3 ALSes in 3 different regions;
> >> >> >some are members of more than 3, in different or in the same
> >> >> >region, it doesn't
> >> matter.
> >> >>
> >> >> (WL) I explained this point in length and details already by
> >> >> making clear
> >> > that
> >> >> we can be *simple members* of different ALSes inside and outside a
> >> >> region BUT we can NOT be *representatives* of more than one ALS
> >> >> (inside or outside a region), as you confirmed Olivier. And I
> >> >> repeatedly noted that
> >> > we
> >> >> (at RALO level) cannot change this rule. IF anybody is still
> >> >> unhappy with
> >> > this
> >> >> binding ALAC rule, the person can try to convince ALAC about a
> >> >> respective change of their Bylaws! This was my very last comment
> >> >> on
> >this
> >> point.
> >> >
> >> > I agree with Wolf and Olivier that it will be very difficult to
> >> > change the bylaws on this point.
> >> > But besides the difficulty and complexity, what would be the *real*
> >> > need
> >> for
> >> > such change?
> >> > Honestly, I believe that our aim should be to include more and more
> >> people,
> >> > and electing the same representative as a leader for multiple
> >> > ALSes,
> >> whether
> >> > in the same or different region, is going in the opposite direction.
> >> > We should favour more individuals to get leadership
> >> > responsibilities in ALAC, not have the same set of people speaking in
> name of more ALSes.
> >> > So, I am personally against this proposal, not for the complexity
> >> > of the change, but because it will move us in the wrong direction.
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > R.
> >> >
> >> >
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