[EURO-Discuss] Regional advice on France at Large application needed

Tue Apr 29 08:27:56 EDT 2008

Dear Nick,
as a multilinguist (practicalities of diversity in the semiotic area) 
I am always puzzled when I must read English as opposed to American. 
The differences are so great for a non English speaker that I am 
never really sure of the intended meaning :-) .

At 06:54 29/04/2008, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
>Dear All:
>The france at large application was not discussed in New Delhi 
>actually; applications are not immediately discussed as that 
>short-circuits the application evaluation process. I refer you to 
>the document provided on the email to which you replied.

Difficult for me for example to know who is the "you" and what are 
the documents belonging to this set. It seems - since you spent 900 % 
times more on this application than on others, while I did not spend 
more time than asking if it was proceeding - that the replies where 
not from france at large and questions were not sent to france at large. 
france at large being the oldest ALS in existance, being for the reason 
very innovative  in its structure, evolution and reflexion, asking no 
guidance not even answer from it when not understanding or misreading 
its documentation or biased comments may lead to Guidlines unwilling 
disrespect.

>As to the content of the due dilligence document, and the questions 
>related to it, I refer you again to the ALS Application Evaluation 
>process in the document previously attached.

OK. I was uncertain about what your English implied. We are in 
agreement that the only reference is the "Proposed" Guidelines 
subject to the non-dated Review of the Office of the General Counsel. 
And that the "Due Diligence Form" you refer to is the Part III.2 
document and the untitled form filled by the new commer Massimilino 
Minisci that you have yourself completed. This documente is dated 
March 27, I was not sent a copy in one month and I obtained by chance 
on the public list.

>As to the speed of the application process, that is also covered in 
>the referenced document. Your application is not being handled in 
>any extraordinary way process-wise. It is not overdue for decision either.

I understand that you are extending your new department and this is 
not an easy task. I make no claim whatsoever. I just note that you 
did not substantiated why france at large due process demanded more 
working time not to be overdue. You obviously understand that these 
mails will be published on our site as we are a transparent 
organisation. All I can do is to delay the publication to be able to 
put a header saying that the Staff and others were disturbed for 
reasons we ignored and do not understand and that has satisfactorily 
clarified.

For the recourds, I note that you did not comment on my pretended obstruction.

Don't you think that the best would be you give me a ring as you 
first intended, Or that we have a drink together if you opo in Paris 
in the coming days. All this rigmarole seems really out-of-place. We 
are intented to cooperate, not to squabble that way.

Cheers !
jfc

>On 28/04/2008 18:31, "JFC Morfin" <jefsey at jefsey.com> wrote:
>
>Dear Nick,
>thank you for you first real mail on the matter.
>
>At 02:47 29/04/2008, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
> >Dear All:
> >In respect of the points below a few clarifications:
> >
> >1. The France at large application was received on 13th February 2008,
> >during the ICANN international meeting.
>
>So, it was probably immediately dicussed since everyone was there.
>
> >As a result of the hectic nature of being at an ICANN meeting the
> >application was not acknowledged until the 28th February, which is 8
> >days longer than it should have taken. We apologised to M Morfin in
> >that email for the delay and explained the nature of the delay.
>
>Correct.
>
> >2. The due dilligence form was actually completed by several members
> >of the ICANN staff – the first version was done by M Minisci, the
> >Regional Liaison for Europe. The regional liaison for each region
> >always fills out the due dilligence form in the first instance as
> >they are most likely to know of new applicant organisations.
>
>ICANN archives can help.
>
> >Because of the fact that Massimiliano is quite new, and there were
> >still a number of open questions, I then performed additional due
> >dilligence. The later due dilligence form you will find has
> >additional information and elaboration in various respects.
>
>Please indicate what this document changes, when it was approved, in
>what way france at large does not comply with it.
>
> >3. Frederic did ask to speak to those persons that the application
> >identified as being other leaders in france at large. M Morfin was
> >unwilling to allow this unless he could attend each such call in person.
>
>????
>I was surprised when Frederic asked me the permission to call them
>(why to ask about them if it is not to call them). I even sent them a
>mail, copied to Frederic, to introduce Frederic and explain them he
>was very very new and how to best help him.
>
> >It may be worthwhile for everyone to know that this application has
> >required about 10 times the amount of due dilligence as is the norm
> >for ALS applications.
>
>We are interested to understand why?
>Our application is online for everyone to see :
>http://alfrance.info/index.php?title=Proc%C3%A9dure_d%27adh%C3%A9sion_%C3%A0_l%27ALAC
>
> >The due dilligence process was performed as required by the ALS
> >Application Evaluation Guidelines, attached hereto in order for it
> >to be easily found.
> >
> >The applicant is due to receive a decision on the application not
> >later than 7 May 2008. From my understanding of the intent of ALAC
> >to vote imminently on this application this deadline should be reached.
>
>The first question of Frederic's first short phone call was to know
>what I though went wrong to explain the delay. Since this mail raises
>no additional question, I am to consider that the reason for the
>delay (a very slow, obscure, and odd process) is elsewhere.
>
>The question is where this elsewhere is.
>jfc
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>Regards,
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>Nick Ashton-Hart
>Director for At-Large
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