[EURO-Discuss] [EURO-ALS] Voting Porcedure

[Jeanette Hofmann]

Dear Nick,

Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
> Verner, and all:
> 
> Could we please, instead of trying to find things to object to, try
> and find things to agree on.
> 
> To repeat: there is no difference in the outcome whether one ranks
> three candidates, or whether you dispose of two individual votes for a
> candidate of three.

Usually, voting procedures do have strong effects on the outcome. This 
is why they are an issue in almost every country. Think of the debates 
on the advantages and disadvantages of majority systems and 
prepresentattional systems.
I think this new procedural debate would stop instantly if you could 
bring some proof that these two voting systems produce indeed the very 
same results.
This is why asked whether we have some information on the results of 
both systems.
thank you. jeanette

> 
> HOWEVER: insisting on changing everything because one or two
> individuals want to change what was agreed by a much larger group of
> ALSes in Lisbon is basically the same as suggesting that any one ALS
> can veto any decision reached by a much larger group of ALSes.
> 
> This would result in nothing ever being achieved.
> 
> On 11/05/07, W.Hülsmann (DVD e.V.) <huelsmann at datenschutzverein.de> wrote:
> 
>>Hello,
>>
>>my first question:  "noon UTC" is 1 pm GMT?
>>
>>For the ALAC-Seats the rankingsystems makes for me no sense and it seems
>>to be not democratical for such a few seats to elecect. Therefor we
>>should use for the election of the ALAC-Seats tweo possible Votes for
>>each voter.
>>
>>Greatings,
>>
>>Werner
>>
>>Nick Ashton-Hart schrieb:
>>
>>>Verner:
>>>
>>>Thank you for your note. The first vote will be to decide whether or
>>>not the single ALS who is not a party to the MoU will be voting on the
>>>ALAC members and the board members.
>>>
>>>That vote will start today.
>>>
>>>With respect to the ranking system: This is what was decided in Lisbon
>>>as the procedure to be used, and so that procedure is carried forward
>>>to the actual vote. It is the same process that was strongly
>>>recommended with respect to the board seats, so on a practical level
>>>it makes sense to use only one type of voting on one ballot to reduce
>>>confusion.
>>>
>>>On 11/05/07, W.Hülsmann (DVD e.V.) <huelsmann at datenschutzverein.de>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>
>>>>on https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?euralo_elections_2007 I read:
>>>>
>>>>"VOTERS: The designated voters (1 per ALS) of ALSes who have signed the
>>>>Memorandum of Understanding with ICANN either in-person at the Lisbon
>>>>ICANN meeting or digitally via electronic mail - at any time before the
>>>>beginning of the voting"
>>>>
>>>>There must be a mistake: First of all we have to decide, if this "strong
>>>>recommendation" will be accepted.
>>>>
>>>>Next: If there are two seats we have to vote for ALAC, then every voter
>>>>should have two possible votes. The two candidates with the most votes
>>>>will be elected. This is the democratical way of election. There ist no
>>>>need for such a ranking.
>>>>
>>>>After the election of the two members for the ALAC seats we have two
>>>>decide, how many seats shall the EURALO board have. The election of the
>>>>EURALO boad members can't start before we know how many board members
>>>>are to elect.
>>>>
>>>>Kind Regarts,
>>>>
>>>>Werner Hülsmann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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