[EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up

Sat Mar 31 11:52:31 EDT 2007

Hello,

till now I didn't receive a protocoll about the meeting in Lisbon. I also didn't 
receive a timetable about the next steps. Pleas send this to the list!

I agree with Wolfgang: All ALS-Memebers has to be informed and must have time to take 
part on all next steps!

Greatings

Werner 

On 31 Mar 2007 at 16:24, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:

> May I just encourage everyone not to abandon the consensus process
> agreed in Lisbon. It was agreed and it isn't a very good precedent if
> something that a large body of ALSes all found agreement on is
> immediately proposed to be discarded before it has even had a chance
> to work - if more time is needed for some of the steps, that will
> become clear, and I'm sure that all parties will see the sense of
> extending things and it will be seen as the natural thing to do.
> 
> I certainly understand your points about the amount of time - but this
> was considered quite carefully by your colleagues and discarding
> elements of that agreement would likely produce the same negative
> by-products which you wish to avoid...
> 
> On 31/03/07, Wolfgang Kleinwächter
> <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
> > Tahnks Vittorio,
> >
> > I think the differendes can be worked out constructively.
> >
> > With regard to some procedures I think that all ASLs has to be
> > involved and not only the minority who had been able to sit in the
> > room in Lisbon. There should be a formal information to all
> > recognized ASLs with a clear and fair timeline and a chance to
> > comment what to do next. Do not rush. There is no need for a hurry.
> > If we have the elections finished before San Juan, this is okay.
> > Nothing will collapse if we take us more time.
> >
> > With regard to the April 14 this is absolutely too short. It is now
> > Easter and a lot of potential candidates are in vacation. So this
> > has to be reconsidered. I propose May 15, This would give all
> > parties to prepare better for an fair and transparent process.
> > Otherwise you provoke another round of heated debate, conflicts and
> > mistrust of people who had been not involved and will think this is
> > another big conspiracy.
> >
> > So we NEED the involvement of all ALS to get he credibility an
> > EURALO should have. And credibility is onw of the highest value for
> > such an Internet jsers organisation.
> >
> > BTW, thanks for proposing me as a potential EURALO Board member.
> > Unfortunately due to another overload of work, the Summer School,
> > GIGANET, Studienkreis and something else I will not be in a position
> > to take an additonal function. I will concentrate my energy and
> > efforts to get the thing started because I feel  - as a veteran in
> > this discussion - ALM and EURALO as part of my personal
> > responsibility towards the community. But with regard to leadership
> > positions in this new boday it is time for the European youngster to
> > take the lead, in particular we need also young energietic woman and
> > ALS andindividuals from outside the EU to get a better balance, to
> > grow and to make the voices of the European Internet usaer5s in the
> > ICANN context visible.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > wolfgang
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > Von: Vittorio Bertola [mailto:vb at bertola.eu]
> > Gesendet: Sa 31.03.2007 15:25
> > An: Wolfgang Kleinwächter
> > Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe
> > Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
> >
> >
> >
> > Wolfgang Kleinwächter ha scritto:
> > > Dear list,
> > >
> > > back home here are some conclusions, comments and proposals for
> > > further actions and next steps:
> > >
> > > 1. Regardless of the controversial discussion and the heated
> > > debate the outcome of the Lisbon meeting is a good step forward
> > > and we should build on this
> >
> > I agree, and let me say that I really appreciated the way that all
> > of us, and specifically those who were most attached to the issues
> > of incorporation and individual membership such as you and
> > Christoph, worked together to reach an acceptable compromise.
> >
> > For the process you propose, I would like to stick to the process we
> > agreed - if I remember well you were not in the meeting on Tuesday
> > morning, so I am reattaching the document that was approved. There
> > is not much difference, except that the idea is to first elect the
> > Board and ALAC reps (so that I can finally leave my seat...), then
> > let the EURALO Board instruct the discussion. Of course the EURALO
> > Board could then delegate a working group - in any case I think that
> > you necessarily have to be in this discussion (you'd be a good
> > EURALO Board member anyway, and I think that the people who were
> > most active in the discussions up to here are natural candidates for
> > a strong initial EURALO Board, that can ensure a good continuation
> > of the process).
> >
> > So I'd build on the timeline we agreed, and if we can have a EURALO
> > Board elected by May 10 - and maybe work in parallel to develop a
> > proposal on the open issues - we could still try to have a virtual
> > GA at mid June, just before Puerto Rico. It really depends on how
> > hard we work.
> >
> > About the last two points:
> >
> > > 4. the formal nomination process for the EURALO board members and
> > > ALAC reps should start after Easter.
> >
> > In Lisbon, we agreed to have nominations between tomorrow and April
> > 14, and to have the Chair elected by the Board. I would not reopen
> > the discussion until we really feel the need to (and we approved the
> > Bylaws and procedure in Lisbon, so what do we do if someone
> > complains?).
> >
> > BTW - There are not so many participants to the initial vote, so I
> > would expect that it won't be a vote on a huge scale; and that's
> > reasonable for a bootstrapping procedure. Actually, I would like it
> > if we could find consensus on a slate of candidates and make the
> > vote a formality, like APRALO did. -- vb.                   Vittorio
> > Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu   <-------- -------->  finally with a
> > new website at http://bertola.eu/  <--------
> >
> >
> >
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