[EURO-Discuss] Why no room for individuals in the RALO?

[Patrick Vande Walle]

Wendy,

To make a long story short: some of us talked for 3 years about how we
could include individual users. For most ALSes however, it has only been
a year since we were included in the process.  Over this last year,
there was no serious, documented, proposal for an individual memberhip
process that:

- would allow individuals to register and clearly identify them. The
goal being to avoid fake registrations
- would prevent the RALO from being captured by specific interest groups
under the guise of individual membership

An obvious way to do this would be to request a membership fee. But then
we would create an economic barrier. And if we have a membership fee, we
would need to have a value proposal for these members.  Which leads us
to the need to have a full-fledged office to manage the membership and
every thing that goes with it. For an organization with a zero budget,
that seems difficult.

Further, there are several ALSes  that have open and free membership and
can be used by individuals to channel their concerns about the ICANN
processes. They certainly would welcome new ideas from new individuals.

At our meeting last Sunday, we had a vote. The majority decided to
postpone the inclusion of individual members. This requires a serious
study, that still needs to be started.  We do not have a board yet,
hence no leaders to  request a proposal (and no volunteers to write one,
as far as I know).  Beyond the idealistic idea of individual memberhip,
there is a whole list of very down to earth issues that need to be
solved. If and when we come up with an answer to these, I am convinced
the EURALO assembly will have no objection to adapt the bylaws.

Wolfgang mentioned previous discussions on the ALAC list about that
specific question. It has only been recently that ALSes have been
awarded access to the ALAC list. We miss the history.  Hence,  if the
ALAC or its members  can point us to some documents or studies about
individual membership in the ICANN/ALAC context, this would really help
the European RALO to take a decision.

All the best,

Patrick


Wolfgang Kleinwächter wrote:
> Rudi can you explain to Wendy? 
>  
> The situation in the room was that one group was in favour of equal rights for individuals (including me) and other who argued that there should be only the ALS. Arguments went forwards and backwards and unfortunately (from my point oif view) irgnoted partly wha has been discussed in this constituencies for years since the cancellation of the elections.
>  
> The compromise was to allow individuals to join but as noin voting members. They can also join the EURALO Board, but need a nomination from the ALS and the election vote comes from the ALS. 
>  
> However this is preliminary and will be reconsidered by the first General Assembly of EURALO
>  
> Wolfgang  
>
> ________________________________
>
> Von: euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Wendy Seltzer
> Gesendet: Mi 28.03.2007 15:08
> An: Discussion for At-Large Europe
> Betreff: [EURO-Discuss] Why no room for individuals in the RALO?
>
>
>
> Please help me to understand why you are creating a RALO that
> excludes individuals who haven't found a congenial ALS.  It looks to
> me as though this structure just further disenfranchises the
> individuals from ICANN processes.  Why should the individual Internet
> user support this structure?
>
> When I asked earlier, I had thought the European group was including
> individual participants.
>
> Why the rush?
> --Wendy
>
> At 08:21 AM 3/28/2007, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
>   
>> Dear European Colleagues:
>>
>> For those who are not physically present tomorrow, but would like to
>> be one of the signers of the MoU, a procedure has been created for you.
>>
>> PLEASE SEND IN AS BELOW NOT LATER THAN 1700 THURSDAY 29TH MARCH 2007
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE: There will be a way, as provided by the MoU, to be
>> determined by the EURALO, for ALSes to consent to be bound by the
>> MoU at a later date.
>>
>> Simply send to me, copied to the list, the following form of words,
>> with the name of your organisation in place of the brackets, and as
>> required directly below the sentence:
>>
>> -------
>>
>> I hereby consent for [INSERT ORGANISATION FULL NAME] to be bound by
>> the terms of the Memorandum of Understanding between ICANN and the
>> Signing Organisations in the European Region as if I were personally
>> signing the document.
>>
>> Name
>> Organisational Title
>> Date
>>
>> ----
>> Note that I have attached the signature text of the MoU in the
>> current version. Signatory information will change as the day goes
>> on and I receive additional signatories' information.
>>     


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