[EURO-Discuss] At-Large Advisory Committee Election Results

Fri Dec 8 07:49:03 CST 2006

Roberto Gaetano schrieb:
> I don't think that this was the situation "by design", but rather a side
> effect on how the bylaws are written.

Hi Roberto,

this is the problem with ICANN as I see it since I watch its 
performance. There are always honorable reasons for maintaining 
ambiguous practices or stretching rules. But from the outside, such 
practices look somewhat fishy.

In order to grow up and to gain the trust ICANN needs to do its work, it 
is really, really necessary that ICANN establishes an equivalent to the 
rule of law, an equivalent that provides for reliable procedures and 
predictable decisions.

Your small steps, no big waves approach makes sense from an insider's 
perpective but from outside, it looks like more of the same muddling 
through approach that seems so characterstic for many of ICANN's decisions.

I know, I am repeating myself, I said the very same thing on another 
list a few days ago: ICANN needs to constitutionlize itself, its actions 
need to follow self binding rules that people know and that people can 
appeal to if they are supposedly violated. ALAC should not be an 
exception to this but rather a model for other constiuencies or groups 
in ICANN.

jeanette

> We are getting there with small steps, not to create too big waves.
> We did it with Bret as GTLD Liaison, in the moment when we were also
> replacing another NA member (John Levine was selected).
> We are trying this with Vittorio, as the situation is now that it would take
> an active step by the Board to discontinue him after his expiration as ALAC
> member, and I don't think that the Board will ever open this can of worms.
> Then we will much better off for claiming it as established practice.
> This is, at least, my approach. Sorry for being more careful than some of
> you would like, but I have the impression that this strategy has paid off,
> up to now. Also, I do believe that one thing is a proposal for candidature
> that comes from an ALS, and another thing, with more weight, will be a
> candidature that comes from a established RALO.
> Cheers,
> Roberto
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
>> [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Jeanette Hofmann
>> Sent: 08 December 2006 10:03
>> To: Discussion for At-Large Europe
>> Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] At-Large Advisory Committee 
>> Election Results
>>
>>
>>
>> Roberto Gaetano schrieb:
>>> Two additions to the comprehensive explanation by Vittorio.
>>>
>>> There is nothing that prevents Vittorio to continue as 
>> Board Liaison 
>>> even if he terminates as ALAC member. Quite the contrary, 
>> this is an 
>>> advantage, as we will have the possibility to cover this 
>> task without 
>>> impacting on the other activities, that will be carried on by the 
>>> regular members. It was already the case for Bret as GTLD Liaison.
>> Now, this is interesting. Anybody can be nominated or run for 
>> the position as board liaison? If this is indeed the case, 
>> you might have got a long list of candidates if this had been 
>> known to more people.
>>
>> jeanette
>>
>>> In the future, ALSes and RALOs will be able to influence also the 
>>> internal mechanisms, if they discuss the matter in advance and via 
>>> their two representatives can bring motions to the ALAC. 
>> This, based 
>>> on what is discussed above, might include candidatures to Liaison 
>>> positions (but not Chair or Vice Chair positions).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Roberto
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>>> [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Vittorio Bertola
>>>> Sent: 08 December 2006 09:19
>>>> To: patrick at isoc.lu; Discussion for At-Large Europe
>>>> Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] At-Large Advisory Committee Election 
>>>> Results
>>>>
>>>> Patrick Vande Walle ha scritto:
>>>>> A few days ago, it was explained on this list that the 
>> nomcom chair 
>>>>> would suggest a name for the ALAC liaison. Now we see 
>> that the ALAC 
>>>>> actually had a vote. Who decided that and when ? Who voted
>>>> in favour
>>>>> on this change ? who voted against ?
>>>> I think that there is a misunderstanding. The message that 
>> was sent 
>>>> some time ago was about appointing one new ALAC member 
>> representing 
>>>> EURALO, since Annette, who was previously sitting in one 
>> of the two 
>>>> EURALO seats, decided to apply for Roberto's seat - the one 
>>>> representing ICANN and appointed by the ICANN Nomcom - and 
>> the Nomcom 
>>>> picked her. Thus, this frees up one of the two EURALO 
>> seats, which, 
>>>> until we formally incorporate EURALO and sign an MoU with 
>> ICANN, is 
>>>> to be filled by the ICANN Board. As soon as we sign that MoU, the 
>>>> ICANN-Board-appointed ALAC members (they being me and whoever will 
>>>> get appointed in place of Annette in the next few weeks) 
>> will expire, 
>>>> and EURALO will have to appoint two representatives in the ALAC.
>>>>
>>>> The ICANN Board, however, usually asks for advice before 
>> making the 
>>>> appointment; initially, since this is going to be a short-lived 
>>>> appointment - we hope to finalize the EURALO process by the ICANN 
>>>> Lisbon meeting, next March - Roberto and I suggested that we could 
>>>> ask the Nomcom to provide another name, which would have 
>> allowed the 
>>>> Board to make a very quick appointment, and thus to bring the 
>>>> appointed person here in Sao Paulo for this ICANN meeting. 
>> However, 
>>>> there was another proposal that the three European ALAC 
>> members pick 
>>>> someone instead. I strongly disagree on that, because I 
>> think that if 
>>>> we don't go for a quick appointment, then it should be the 
>> ALSes who 
>>>> suggest someone, also because it might be someone that the ALSes 
>>>> might want to reappoint after we sign the MoU in March 
>> (though there 
>>>> is absolutely no constraint to that effect). So we discussed the 
>>>> matter here in Sao Paulo, and all the three European ALAC members 
>>>> agreed to make a call to the European ALSes to suggest one or more 
>>>> names, to be then discussed and forwarded to the ICANN Board for 
>>>> consideration; Annette is supposed to post that call shortly.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, please all of you start considering and 
>> posting possible 
>>>> nominees (or self-nominations) as temporary European ALAC member, 
>>>> even if it might be just for a few months and for one 
>> ICANN meeting 
>>>> in Lisbon. Also, I want to make it clear that I will not 
>> reapply for 
>>>> my seat, I think that four years is enough and I really 
>> want some new 
>>>> people from this group to be able to serve on the ALAC (I 
>> said this 
>>>> in public before being appointed as ALAC Board liaison, so 
>> it's not 
>>>> connected to that).
>>>>
>>>> The message that Nick sent yesterday, instead, was about 
>> the internal 
>>>> ALAC appointments: the ALAC, as any Committee, has to appoint its 
>>>> Chair, Vice Chairs, and also a number of liaisons to other bodies. 
>>>> These positions are to be filled internally by the ALAC, as they 
>>>> represent the distribution of labour among its members. In this 
>>>> specific case, there was no established procedure, and even no 
>>>> advance knowledge of all the nominations, so it was actually 
>>>> impossible to have any further consultation - it was all decided 
>>>> yesterday at an open meeting of the ALAC. I still see it a bit 
>>>> difficult to imagine that these positions can be filled by 
>> a broader 
>>>> group than the ALAC itself, since they are really connected to 
>>>> internal balances in a 15-people group that has to work 
>> together, but 
>>>> I already suggested that the ALAC should have better 
>> procedures for 
>>>> these appointments, which could allow sufficient time to have a 
>>>> consultation with the RALOs about the various nominees.
>>>>
>>>> Ciao,
>>>> -- 
>>>> vb.             [Vittorio Bertola - v.bertola [a] 
>>>> bertola.eu.org]<-----
>>>> http://bertola.eu.org/  <- Prima o poi...
>>>>
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