[Euro-board] WG: Re: [ALAC-Internal] Fwd: Re: [GTLD-WG]URGENT-ALAC statement on IRTP report

Tue May 5 06:04:07 EDT 2009

A kind soul has pointed the fact that I referred to "Copyrights" in my 
message below.
Of course, I meant "Trade Marks" - my apologies. Since nobody's 
pointed this out
earlier, I'm either in everybody's "ignore" file, or we should all 
wake-up. :-)

O.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond" <ocl at gih.com>
To: "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig at comunica-ch.net>; "Patrick Vande Walle" 
<patrick at vande-walle.eu>
Cc: "Euro Board" <euro-board at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Euro-board] WG: Re: [ALAC-Internal] Fwd: Re: 
[GTLD-WG]URGENT-ALAC statement on IRTP report

> Wolf:
>
> thank you for having forwarded Patrick's draft to the Euro list & to
> here.
>
> I, as an individual EURALO board member, am in complete agreement 
> with this excellent draft, and also hope that if there is not enough 
> time for ALAC to approve it formally, I hope that EURALO can act 
> quickly enough to agree to it, in time for it to be formally 
> submitted. The issues raised are *essential* to the ALAC's mission 
> of being ICANN's conscience and I am very pleased that they are 
> dealt with in such a professional and concise manner by ALAC.
>
> Erratum:
>
> - Under: "Whois requirements for new service"
> We are surprised the only reference to privacy in the report in the
> report is about privacy as a (paid for) service.
>
> -> we are surprised THAT the only reference...
> -> note the repeat of "in the report"
>
> Next paragraph: replace "Further" with "Furthermore"
>
> Further discussion
>
> I attended a meeting of Internet experts under Chatham House Rules 
> in
> London last week and the matter came up for discussion.
> The general concensus around the table was that ICANN was setting a
> dangerous precedent in stepping into areas it should not step into 
> re:
> several issues. The issue of Copyright is an age-old issue which is
> very complex and near intractable to deal with internationally. WIPO
> is the agency specifically in charge of this, and its budget which 
> is in
> excess of 600 Million Swiss Francs is huge compared to the ICANN
> budget for these matters. ICANN risks burdening itself by shifting
> the Copyright battlefield into its own home, and risks wasting such
> resources instead of following its real mission, as defined in the 
> JPA
> agreement. Expect to hear criticism re: that wrt post-JPA.
>
> My own comment is that I have a real concern re: capture. This 
> process,
> it seems, is being rushed through and might be a form of capture by 
> a
> community (namely IP lawyers) - and such capture is also being
> suspected by others - and this will *not* play in ICANN's favour.
> I am not sure if is would be politically correct for EURALO to raise 
> the "capture danger" flag. Perhaps it is completely outside the 
> scope of EURALO. Perhaps I am mistaken and see capture where there 
> isn't, but I believe there is no smoke without fire and the speed 
> and manner in which the IRTP working group has been set-up and is 
> operating, including the limited amount of time it is allowing for 
> external comments, make me raise my eyebrows and feel uncomfortable.
>
> Since I have no posting privilege on the ALAC-Internal list, please
> feel free to forward where necessary/desired.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Olivier
>
> Ref: Chatham House Rule
> http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/about/chathamhouserule/
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig at comunica-ch.net>
> To: "Patrick Vande Walle" <patrick at vande-walle.eu>
> Cc: "Euro Board" <euro-board at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:48 PM
> Subject: [Euro-board] WG: Re: [ALAC-Internal] Fwd: Re: [GTLD-WG]
> URGENT-ALAC statement on IRTP report
>
>
>> Dear Patrick again,
>>
>> just in case, your draft statement on the IRTP report will NOT be
>> approved in time / until next Monday by ALAC, I suggest to submit 
>> it
>> on behalf of EURALO at least. It would be sad if this/your 
>> statement
>> wouldn't be approved and forwarded in time! Any comments by other
>> Board members?
>>
>> Best,
>> Wolf
>>
>>
>> Wolf Ludwig wrote Sat, 02 May 2009 22:37:
>>>Dear Patrick,
>>>
>>>thanks a lot for your draft of a (ALAC) statement on the IRTP
>>>report. Your draft actually reflects most of my concerns and I hope
>>>it will be approved by the ALAC, given the narrow deadline of May
>>>5th (what means next Tuesday!). Thanks again for your excellent 
>>>work
>>>and
>>>
>>>kind regards,
>>>Wolf
>>>
>>>
>>>Patrick Vande Walle wrote Sat, 02 May 2009 21:38:
>>>>To follow up  on the request made during last week's
>>>>teleconference, I
>>>>have drafted the following statement.
>>>>https://st.icann.org/gnso-liaison/index.cgi?draft_statements_related_to_irt_s_remit_from_at_large
>>>>
>>>>The discussions on the new gtld list focused mainly on the
>>>>composition
>>>>of the IRTP working group, its lack of balance and the fact that
>>>>most
>>>>members were from - or close to - the IPC.  Several members of
>>>>At-Large
>>>>mentioned they volunteered for the WG, but were not included.
>>>>Hong had concerns regarding the fact that these proposed rules 
>>>>were
>>>>in
>>>>contradiction with international trade mark law. Bret Faussett 
>>>>made
>>>>a
>>>>comment about the fact the URS process is not limited in time. His
>>>>comment is included in extenso.
>>>>
>>>>The draft statement tries to capture all these remarks.
>>>>
>>>>I am not sure which process the chair wishes to follow to have 
>>>>some
>>>>some
>>>>of approval from the ALAC, given the deadline is May 5th.
>>>>
>>>>Patrick
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>comunica-ch
>>>phone +41 79 204 83 87
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>
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>>
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