[Euro-board] WG: Re: [ALAC-Internal] Fwd: Re: [GTLD-WG] URGENT-ALAC statement on IRTP report

Mon May 4 09:30:24 EDT 2009

Hi Patrick and Olivier,

thanks for responses!

Patrick Vande Walle wrote Sun, 03 May 2009 15:20:
(...)
>If this is submitted as an Euralo text, I will take the liberty to
>specifically refer to European legal documents. Namely Directive
>95/46/EC (Data Protection Directive) and 2002/58/EC (Directive on
>privacy and electronic communications), as well as the Commission
>decision 2000/520/EC (Safe Harbor Agreement), and replace all occurences
>of "ALAC" by "Euralo".

I agree with your suggestion, Patrick, to "specifically refer to European 
legal documents" to give the statement "as an Euralo text" a bit more of 
our regional colour and approach!

Thanks for re-posting this discussion to the EURALO list as well, may 
be we get some more comments or input. If not, just take it as silent 
approval ;-). I suggest, you submit this text on behalf of EURALO.

Thanks and kind regards,
Wolf

>Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote, On 3/5/09 14:54:
>> Wolf:
>>
>> thank you for having forwarded Patrick's draft to the Euro list & to
>> here.
>>
>> I, as an individual EURALO board member, am in complete agreement with
>> this excellent draft, and also hope that if there is not enough time
>> for ALAC to approve it formally, I hope that EURALO can act quickly
>> enough to agree to it, in time for it to be formally submitted. The
>> issues raised are *essential* to the ALAC's mission of being ICANN's
>> conscience and I am very pleased that they are dealt with in such a
>> professional and concise manner by ALAC.
>>
>> Erratum:
>>
>> - Under: "Whois requirements for new service"
>> We are surprised the only reference to privacy in the report in the
>> report is about privacy as a (paid for) service.
>>
>> -> we are surprised THAT the only reference...
>> -> note the repeat of "in the report"
>>
>> Next paragraph: replace "Further" with "Furthermore"
>>
>> Further discussion
>>
>> I attended a meeting of Internet experts under Chatham House Rules in
>> London last week and the matter came up for discussion.
>> The general concensus around the table was that ICANN was setting a
>> dangerous precedent in stepping into areas it should not step into re:
>> several issues. The issue of Copyright is an age-old issue which is
>> very complex and near intractable to deal with internationally. WIPO
>> is the agency specifically in charge of this, and its budget which is in
>> excess of 600 Million Swiss Francs is huge compared to the ICANN
>> budget for these matters. ICANN risks burdening itself by shifting
>> the Copyright battlefield into its own home, and risks wasting such
>> resources instead of following its real mission, as defined in the JPA
>> agreement. Expect to hear criticism re: that wrt post-JPA.
>>
>> My own comment is that I have a real concern re: capture. This process,
>> it seems, is being rushed through and might be a form of capture by a
>> community (namely IP lawyers) - and such capture is also being
>> suspected by others - and this will *not* play in ICANN's favour.
>> I am not sure if is would be politically correct for EURALO to raise
>> the "capture danger" flag. Perhaps it is completely outside the scope
>> of EURALO. Perhaps I am mistaken and see capture where there isn't,
>> but I believe there is no smoke without fire and the speed and manner
>> in which the IRTP working group has been set-up and is operating,
>> including the limited amount of time it is allowing for external
>> comments, make me raise my eyebrows and feel uncomfortable.
>>
>> Since I have no posting privilege on the ALAC-Internal list, please
>> feel free to forward where necessary/desired.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>> Ref: Chatham House Rule
>> http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/about/chathamhouserule/
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolf Ludwig"
>> <wolf.ludwig at comunica-ch.net>
>> To: "Patrick Vande Walle" <patrick at vande-walle.eu>
>> Cc: "Euro Board" <euro-board at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:48 PM
>> Subject: [Euro-board] WG: Re: [ALAC-Internal] Fwd: Re: [GTLD-WG]
>> URGENT-ALAC statement on IRTP report
>>
>>
>>> Dear Patrick again,
>>>
>>> just in case, your draft statement on the IRTP report will NOT be
>>> approved in time / until next Monday by ALAC, I suggest to submit it
>>> on behalf of EURALO at least. It would be sad if this/your statement
>>> wouldn't be approved and forwarded in time! Any comments by other
>>> Board members?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Wolf
>>>
>>>
>>> Wolf Ludwig wrote Sat, 02 May 2009 22:37:
>>>> Dear Patrick,
>>>>
>>>> thanks a lot for your draft of a (ALAC) statement on the IRTP
>>>> report. Your draft actually reflects most of my concerns and I hope
>>>> it will be approved by the ALAC, given the narrow deadline of May
>>>> 5th (what means next Tuesday!). Thanks again for your excellent work
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> kind regards,
>>>> Wolf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Patrick Vande Walle wrote Sat, 02 May 2009 21:38:
>>>>> To follow up  on the request made during last week's
>>>>> teleconference, I
>>>>> have drafted the following statement.
>>>>> https://st.icann.org/gnso-liaison/index.cgi?draft_statements_related_to_irt_s_remit_from_at_large
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The discussions on the new gtld list focused mainly on the
>>>>> composition
>>>>> of the IRTP working group, its lack of balance and the fact that
>>>>> most
>>>>> members were from - or close to - the IPC.  Several members of
>>>>> At-Large
>>>>> mentioned they volunteered for the WG, but were not included.
>>>>> Hong had concerns regarding the fact that these proposed rules were
>>>>> in
>>>>> contradiction with international trade mark law. Bret Faussett made
>>>>> a
>>>>> comment about the fact the URS process is not limited in time. His
>>>>> comment is included in extenso.
>>>>>
>>>>> The draft statement tries to capture all these remarks.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure which process the chair wishes to follow to have some
>>>>> some
>>>>> of approval from the ALAC, given the deadline is May 5th.
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>>
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