[Euro-board] [Fwd: Re: [At-Large] Rest in Peace]

Mon Nov 24 04:45:56 EST 2008

Hi,

As I understand the background, Danny is a long time critic of the  
whole ALS system.  So if he was looking for data points to reinforce  
his stance, Euralo probably presented a rather soft target.  I  
wouldn't get too vexed about his message, and given its sardonic  
humor etc don't think a defensive reply is really merited.  But it  
would be good to address the core problem that leaves Euralo open to  
such criticisms.

Since many of us seem to be maxxed out with too many commitments, it  
would make sense to leap at any expressions of actual willingness to  
work.  If Rudi feels he could devote some head space to catalyzing  
Euralo efforts, I would support giving him the space/mandate to do  
so.  I don't have time right now to dig out and bylaws and don't  
recall if such eventualities are addressed, but given Jeanette's  
resignation one would think we could replace her without a terribly  
complex process...

That said, Rudy probably what Euralo needs most is not reporting on  
other org's meetings, but rather some effort to organize Euralo  
inputs on current ICANN issues, promote engagement by the ALS  
members, etc, no...?

Best,

Bill

On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:28 AM, Rudi Vansnick wrote:

> Dear Wolf,
>
> I'm afraid that this was not the appropriate answer to give to  
> Danny. As
> you stated that you don't have enough time for Euralo, perhaps it  
> would
> be good to get some assistance (co-chair) as before. If needed, I can
> make some time to bring live in Euralo and report for instance on the
> EURODIG and the upcoming IGF. Let me know what you think about ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rudi Vansnick
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> Wolf Ludwig schreef:
>> Dear Rudi and all,
>>
>> if I understand the forwarded polemic right, it was not written by  
>> JFC -
>> commented only -- but by Danny Younger (to whom I responded yesterday
>> –- see copy-paste below)?
>>
>> Furthermore, I haven’t received and seen this mailing on the ALAC- 
>> list before?
>>
>> Best,
>> Wolf
>>
>> ___
>> Wolf Ludwig wrote 22.11.08:
>> Thanks, Danny, for this reminder. But I am overloaded with work  
>> and have to
>> follow some professional deadlines until the end of this month;  
>> therefore I can
>> just do the absolute necessary.
>>
>> Sorry and regards,
>> Wolf
>> ___
>>
>> Rudi Vansnick wrote Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:40:
>>
>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>
>>> I'm afraid underlying message asks for some actions/reactions.  
>>> Can we
>>> accept that our constituency is attacked and accused by someone  
>>> is even
>>> not a member of Euralo ? He will certainly post similar messages on
>>> other lists.
>>>
>>> Let's be more active in order to make these noises useless ! Latest
>>> updates on the site are from october ... We had some meetings in  
>>> Cairo
>>> we could comment on. And of course, the Euralo participation in  
>>> EURODIG
>>> not to forget ..
>>>
>>> Rudi Vansnick
>>>
>>> -------- Originele bericht --------
>>> Onderwerp: 	Re: [At-Large] Rest in Peace
>>> Datum: 	Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:17:16 +0100
>>> Van: 	JFC Morfin <jefsey at jefsey.com>
>>> Antwoord-naar: 	At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge- 
>>> lists.icann.org>
>>> Aan: 	At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>> CC: 	listegenerale at franceatlarge.org
>>> Referenties: 	<520086.73129.qm at web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now I understand why Nick kept protecting france at large from the late
>>> Euralo disease !
>>>
>>> Actually, Euralo is not dead ! http://euralo.com
>>> jfc
>>>
>>> PS. I doubt the new Euralo will get the ICANN budget of the  
>>> deceased one :-)
>>>
>>> At 13:02 23/11/2008, Danny Younger wrote:
>>>
>>>> We are gathered here today to mourn the loss of our recently
>>>> deceased European regional representative, the Euralo.  With not a
>>>> single comment submitted on the Euro-discuss or Euro-board list  
>>>> in a
>>>> full month, the patient finally withered and died after a long and
>>>> sustained boredom that saw none of its two dozen members act to
>>>> breathe any hope of life into the now rotting corpse.
>>>>
>>>> "We knew the end was coming fast when a deputy chair resigned from
>>>> the organization", stated a Euralo Board representative  
>>>> (speaking on
>>>> condition of anonymity);  "when board members could no longer
>>>> "identify with Euralo's structure and mode of operation", it was
>>>> clear that the organization's death was imminent."
>>>>
>>>> The Euralo will be missed, but in the finest tradition of those who
>>>> cash the welfare checks of the dead, we are confident that ICANN's
>>>> travel funds will continue to be used by the European community so
>>>> that the spirit of the lifeless Euralo may continue to cast  
>>>> votes on
>>>> such spellbinding matters as the ALAC ExCom ReOrganization, the  
>>>> plan
>>>> to publicly flog non-performing ALAC members, and the
>>>> Summit-for-those-that-can't-be-bothered-to-participate.
>>>>
>>>> As we think back on all the regional issues that were brought to  
>>>> the
>>>> fore by the Euralo... monumental issues such as "confronting the
>>>> prospect of ISOC capture of European institutions" that saw a mad
>>>> dash of ALSs sign up in reckless abandon to join the Euralo solely
>>>> in order to confront the looming evil menace on the horizon, we tip
>>>> our hats to the Civil Society component that brought such a lively
>>>> comedic flair to the rather staid ICANN technical processes.
>>>>
>>>> The Euralo will be missed.  Somewhere it will be pushing up daisies
>>>> whose fragrance will remind us that only individuals, not
>>>> organizations, can best represent the interest of the world's
>>>> internet users.   The Euralo is dead, but the lessons that it  
>>>> taught
>>>> will inspire us for generations -- lessons such as:  when it costs
>>>> nothing to join an organization, nothing is what you can assuredly
>>>> expect from those that sign up".
>>>>
>>>> A sad farewell to the Euralo.  May it rest in peace.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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