[Euro-board] [ALAC-Internal] Details on why the france at large application was turned down

Jeanette Hofmann j.hofmann at lse.ac.uk
Wed May 21 11:05:36 EDT 2008


Yes, it does. I am fine with the letter now. Lets see what others have 
to say.
jeanette

Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
> You are most welcome – how about the paragraph I have inserted below in 
> the text of the letter to address your points?
> 
> 
> On 21/05/2008 15:53, "Jeanette Hofmann" <jeanette at wzb.eu> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Nick, thank you for compiling this letter. I think the factual basis
>     of the letter is good. What I find missing as a conclusion following the
>     presentation of those facts. Do you think an explanatory letter doesn't
>     need a conclusion along the line of: Therefore, we were unable to follow
>     your request....
>     I think it would also be good to finish with an encouraging note that
>     once the mailing lists show more activity, a new request for membership
>     is welcome.
> 
>     thanks, jeanette
> 
>     Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
>     >  Dear ALAC Members and EURALO Board Members:
>     >
>     >  As you know, we have a total of seven days to provide details on
>     why the
>     >  application of france at large was rejected. That reply is to be sent not
>     >  later than 23rd May, this coming Friday.
>     >
>     >  I have tried to compile together the salient issues identified
>     with this
>     >  application and present them in the form of a letter for your
>     review. My
>     >  apologies that it has taken a couple of days but we are all pretty
>     >  swamped arranging the agenda for the Paris meeting since the At-Large
>     >  agenda changed quite substantially as a result of the Planning Meeting
>     >  WG call this past Friday.
>     >
>     >  Of course this is just a draft  - we are happy to compile any changes
>     >  required to produce a final draft. The word version of the letter is
>     >  also attached.
>     >
>     >  TO: france at large
>     >  FROM: staff at atlarge.icann.org
>     >  cc: A Muehlberg, S Bachollet, alac-excomm at atlarge-lists.icann.org,
>     >  euro-board at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>     >  RE: Application of france at large for At-Large Structure (ALS)
>     accreditation
>     >
>     >  Dear Sir or Madam:
>     >  We write to you at the request of the At-Large Advisory Committee
>     (ALAC)
>     >  in order to provide you with information on the reasons why your
>     >  application to join the At-Large community was not successful. We hope
>     >  that the information provided below facilitates your understanding:
>     >
>     >  ·     *Statements made on the application form are not borne out
>     on the
>     >  france at large website.* For example, the application (reply to question
>     >  1b) states that:
>     >
>     >  “Members of the At-Large community can freely join france at large by
>     >  subscribing to the general mailing list. The members organise the list
>     >  moderation and decide on what motions and projects they will vote.”
>     >  However, the general mailing list archives hosted on your website for
>     >  members have no postings (as at the time of application).  In reply to
>     >  question 2(f), the application states that:
>     >  “…At the end of 2007, there were 17 members….”
>     >  However, since the application in several places makes clear that all
>     >  the activities of france at large are to happen on the general members
>     >  forum – including but not limited to joining the organisation – and
>     >  those forums are empty, the only conclusion which can reasonably be
>     >  drawn is that there are no members.
>     >
>     >  ·     *The application implies that france at large is associated with
>     >  organisations which are independent third parties, yet in several
>     cases
>     >  the WHOIS data for these sites seem to lead to the same email address,
>     >  which was also used to register one of the two france at large domains:
>     >  *
>     >  For example, on question 1 of Objectives, the application states that
>     >  france at large:
>     >  “… Plans to participate:
>     >  In the French, European and Global Internet Governance Forums
>     >  (http://franceatlarge.fr/index.php?title=Propositions_FGI) …”
>     >  And goes on to list in specific:
>     >  “… In the Intertest for projects concerning current usage…”
>     >  A sample search of the WHOIS records for some of the organisations
>     >  referenced at http://franceatlarge.fr/index.php?title=Propositions_FGI
>     >  was conducted. The WHOIS records for intertest.org and wecann.info are
>     >  identical in virtually every respect to those for one of the two
>     domain
>     >  names for france at large, franceatlarge.org (see full WHOIS results
>     at the
>     >  end of this letter).
>     >
>     >  We note that wecann.info has a mailing list with a closed archive,
>     >  however, upon registration, the archive shows no posts have been made,
>     >  and the membership list is restricted.
>     >
> 
> In closing, for these reasons we were unable to accredit your 
> organisation as an At-Large Structure. Should your organisation’s 
> situation change, we encourage you to re-apply for ALS status. In the 
> meantime, we wish to emphasise that you, like all individual Internet 
> users, are welcome to continue to participate in EURALO’s mailing list 
> and its work.
> 
>     >  We understand that you may wish to appeal the decision reached. If so,
>     >  we wish to draw your attention to the three options that you have in
>     >  this respect which were provided in our email to you on 16th May 2008,
>     >  and which are repeated below for your convenience:
>     >
>     >  *1. Request that the ALAC Reconsider Its Decision
>     >  *If you believe that the reasons for the adverse decision are not
>     >  correct once you have received them, you may ask the ALAC to
>     reconsider
>     >  the decision. When requesting ALAC reconsideration, please provide
>     >  details of why you believe the decision is not correct in as much
>     detail
>     >  as you believe will be useful, and transmit this by email, along with
>     >  any supplementary documentation you believe relevant, to
>     >  staff at atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff at atlarge.icann.org> . The staff
>     >  will acknowledge receipt and transmit the information to the ALAC.
>     >
>     >  *2. Contact the ICANN Ombudsman
>     >  *ICANN has established the Office of the Ombudsman to evaluate and
>     where
>     >  possible resolve complaints about unfair or inappropriate treatment by
>     >  ICANN. For more information about ICANN's Ombudsman, please visit
>     >  http://www.icann.org/ombudsman. If you have a dispute you want the
>     >  Ombudsman to investigate, or to contact the Ombudsman, please visit
>     >  http://www.icann.org/ombudsman/contact.htm.
>     >
>     >  *3. ICANN Board of Directors Reconsideration
>     >  *ICANN's Board of Directors has established a Reconsideration
>     Committee
>     >  to handle requests from any person or entity that has been materially
>     >  affected by any ICANN staff action if such person or entity
>     believes the
>     >  action contradicts established ICANN policies, or by actions of the
>     >  Board that such person or entity believes has been taken without
>     >  consideration of material information. Note: this is a brief
>     summary of
>     >  the relevant Bylaws provisions. For more information about ICANN's
>     >  reconsideration process, please visit
>     >  http://www.icann.org/committees/reconsideration.
>     >
>     >  Regards,
>     >
>     >  ICANN At-Large Advisory Committee
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >  Intertest.org WHOIS
>     >
>     >  (Asked whois.pir.org:43 about /intertest.org/)
>     >   Domain ID: D130972759-LROR
>     >   Domain Name: INTERTEST.ORG
>     >  <http://samspade.org/whois?query=INTERTEST.ORG;server=auto>
>     >   Created On: 17-Oct-2006 22: 28: 34 UTC
>     >   Last Updated On: 04-Dec-2007 14: 11: 27 UTC
>     >   Expiration Date: 17-Oct-2008 22: 28: 34 UTC
>     >   Sponsoring Registrar: Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR)
>     >   Status: CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
>     >   Registrant ID: 18036335-NSI
>     >   Registrant Name: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
>     >   foundation
>     >   Registrant Organization: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
>     >   foundation
>     >   Registrant Street1: 1350 Beverly Road  15-331
>     >   Registrant Street2:
>     >   Registrant Street3:
>     >   Registrant City: McLean
>     >   Registrant State/Province: VA
>     >   Registrant Postal Code: 22101
>     >   Registrant Country: US
>     >   Registrant Phone: 1.7072482449
>     >   Registrant Phone Ext.:
>     >   Registrant FAX: 1.7072482449
>     >   Registrant FAX Ext.:
>     >   Registrant Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
>     >
>     >   Admin ID: 18036335-NSI
>     >   Admin Name: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
>     >   foundation
>     >   Admin Organization: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
>     >   foundation
>     >   Admin Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
>     >   Admin Street2:
>     >   Admin Street3:
>     >   Admin City: McLean
>     >   Admin State/Province: VA
>     >   Admin Postal Code: 22101
>     >   Admin Country: US
>     >   Admin Phone: 1.7072482449
>     >   Admin Phone Ext.:
>     >   Admin FAX: 1.7072482449
>     >   Admin FAX Ext.:
>     >   Admin Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
>     >
>     >   Tech ID: 18036335-NSI
>     >   Tech Name: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
>     >   foundation
>     >   Tech Organization: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
>     >   foundation
>     >   Tech Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
>     >   Tech Street2:
>     >   Tech Street3:
>     >   Tech City: McLean
>     >   Tech State/Province: VA
>     >   Tech Postal Code: 22101
>     >   Tech Country: US
>     >   Tech Phone: 1.7072482449
>     >   Tech Phone Ext.:
>     >   Tech FAX: 1.7072482449
>     >   Tech FAX Ext.:
>     >   Tech Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
>     >
>     >   Name Server: DNS1.NETTICA.COM
>     >  <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS1.NETTICA.COM;server=auto>
>     >   Name Server: DNS2.NETTICA.COM
>     >  <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS2.NETTICA.COM;server=auto>
>     >   Name Server: DNS3.NETTICA.COM
>     >  <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS3.NETTICA.COM;server=auto>
>     >   Name Server: DNS4.NETTICA.COM
>     >  <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS4.NETTICA.COM;server=auto>
>     >   Name Server: DNS5.NETTICA.COM
>     >  <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS5.NETTICA.COM;server=auto>
>     >
>     >  Wecann.info WHOIS
>     >
>     >  (Asked whois.afilias.info:43 about wecann.info)
>     >  Access to INFO WHOIS information is provided to assist persons in
>     >   determining the contents of a domain name registration record in the
>     >  Afilias registry database. The data in this record is provided by
>     >  Afilias Limited for informational purposes only  and Afilias does not
>     >  guarantee its accuracy.  This service is intended only for query-based
>     >  access. You agree that you will use this data only for lawful purposes
>     >  and that under no circumstances will you use this data to: (a) allow
>     >  enable  or otherwise support the transmission by e-mail  telephone  or
>     >  facsimile of mass unsolicited  commercial advertising or solicitations
>     >  to entities other than the data recipient's own existing customers; or
>     >   (b) enable high volume  automated electronic processes that send
>     >  queries or data to the systems of Registry Operator  a Registrar  or
>     >  Afilias except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or
>     >  modify existing registrations. All rights reserved. Afilias
>     reserves the
>     >  right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query you
>     >  agree to abide by this policy.
>     >   Domain ID: D23071066-LRMS
>     >   Domain Name: WECANN.INFO
>     >  <http://samspade.org/whois?query=WECANN.INFO;server=auto>
>     >   Created On: 30-Dec-2007 18: 11: 03 UTC
>     >   Last Updated On: 28-Feb-2008 20: 33: 47 UTC
>     >   Expiration Date: 30-Dec-2008 18: 11: 03 UTC
>     >   Sponsoring Registrar: Network Solutions (R122-LRMS)
>     >   Status: CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
>     >   Registrant ID: C3525328-LRMS
>     >   Registrant Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
>     >
>     >   Registrant Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
>     >
>     >   Registrant Street1: 1350 Beverly Road  15-331
>     >   Registrant Street2:
>     >   Registrant Street3:
>     >   Registrant City: McLeab
>     >   Registrant State/Province: VA
>     >   Registrant Postal Code: 22101
>     >   Registrant Country: US
>     >   Registrant Phone: 1.7072482449
>     >   Registrant Phone Ext.:
>     >   Registrant FAX: 1.7072482449
>     >   Registrant FAX Ext.:
>     >   Registrant Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
>     >
>     >   Admin ID: C3525328-LRMS
>     >   Admin Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
>     >
>     >   Admin Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
>     >
>     >   Admin Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
>     >   Admin Street2:
>     >   Admin Street3:
>     >   Admin City: McLeab
>     >   Admin State/Province: VA
>     >   Admin Postal Code: 22101
>     >   Admin Country: US
>     >   Admin Phone: 1.7072482449
>     >   Admin Phone Ext.:
>     >   Admin FAX: 1.7072482449
>     >   Admin FAX Ext.:
>     >   Admin Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
>     >
>     >   Billing ID: C2575260-LRMS
>     >   Billing Name: UTEL
>     >   Billing Organization: UTEL
>     >   Billing Street1: 1350 Beverly Rd 115-331
>     >   Billing Street2:
>     >   Billing Street3:
>     >   Billing City: MC LEAN
>     >   Billing State/Province: VA
>     >   Billing Postal Code: 22101
>     >   Billing Country: US
>     >   Billing Phone: 011.3313950
>     >   Billing Phone Ext.:
>     >   Billing FAX: 707.2492448
>     >   Billing FAX Ext.:
>     >   Billing Email: jefsey at jefsey.com <mailto:jefsey at jefsey.com>
>     >
>     >   Tech ID: C3525328-LRMS
>     >   Tech Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
>     >
>     >   Tech Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
>     >
>     >   Tech Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
>     >   Tech Street2:
>     >   Tech Street3:
>     >   Tech City: McLeab
>     >   Tech State/Province: VA
>     >   Tech Postal Code: 22101
>     >   Tech Country: US
>     >   Tech Phone: 1.7072482449
>     >   Tech Phone Ext.:
>     >   Tech FAX: 1.7072482449
>     >   Tech FAX Ext.:
>     >   Tech Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
>     >
>     >   Name Server: DNS.PRESENCEWEB.ORG
>     >  <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS.PRESENCEWEB.ORG;server=auto>
>     >   Name Server: DNS2.PRESENCEWEB.ORG
>     >  <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS2.PRESENCEWEB.ORG;server=auto>
>     >
>     >  Franceatlarge.org <mailto:France at large.org> WHOIS
>     >
>     >  (Asked whois.pir.org:43 about franceatlarge.org)
>     >   Domain ID: D148934686-LROR
>     >   Domain Name: FRANCEATLARGE.ORG
>     >  <http://samspade.org/whois?query=FRANCEATLARGE.ORG;server=auto>
>     >   Created On: 22-Aug-2007 15: 21: 48 UTC
>     >   Last Updated On: 31-Jan-2008 16: 35: 10 UTC
>     >   Expiration Date: 22-Aug-2008 15: 21: 48 UTC
>     >   Sponsoring Registrar: Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR)
>     >   Status: CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
>     >   Registrant ID: 18036317-NSI
>     >   Registrant Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
>     >
>     >   Registrant Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
>     >
>     >   Registrant Street1: 1350 Beverly Road  15-331
>     >   Registrant Street2:
>     >   Registrant Street3:
>     >   Registrant City: McLeab
>     >   Registrant State/Province: VA
>     >   Registrant Postal Code: 22101
>     >   Registrant Country: US
>     >   Registrant Phone: 1.7072482449
>     >   Registrant Phone Ext.:
>     >   Registrant FAX: 1.7072482449
>     >   Registrant FAX Ext.:
>     >   Registrant Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
>     >
>     >   Admin ID: 18036317-NSI
>     >   Admin Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
>     >
>     >   Admin Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
>     >
>     >   Admin Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
>     >   Admin Street2:
>     >   Admin Street3:
>     >   Admin City: McLeab
>     >   Admin State/Province: VA
>     >   Admin Postal Code: 22101
>     >   Admin Country: US
>     >   Admin Phone: 1.7072482449
>     >   Admin Phone Ext.:
>     >   Admin FAX: 1.7072482449
>     >   Admin FAX Ext.:
>     >   Admin Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
>     >
>     >   Tech ID: 18036317-NSI
>     >   Tech Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
>     >
>     >   Tech Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
>     >
>     >   Tech Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
>     >   Tech Street2:
>     >   Tech Street3:
>     >   Tech City: McLeab
>     >   Tech State/Province: VA
>     >   Tech Postal Code: 22101
>     >   Tech Country: US
>     >   Tech Phone: 1.7072482449
>     >   Tech Phone Ext.:
>     >   Tech FAX: 1.7072482449
>     >   Tech FAX Ext.:
>     >   Tech Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
>     >
>     >   Name Server: DNS.PRESENCEWEB.ORG
>     >  <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS.PRESENCEWEB.ORG;server=auto>
>     >   Name Server: DNS2.PRESENCEWEB.ORG
>     >  <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS2.PRESENCEWEB.ORG;server=auto>
>     >   Name Server:
>     >   Name Server:
>     >   Name Server:
>     >   Name Server:
>     >   Name Server:
>     >   Name Server:
>     >   Name Server:
>     >   Name Server:
>     >   Name Server:
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>     >   Name Server:
>     >
>     >  --
>     >
>     >  Regards,
>     >
>     >  Nick Ashton-Hart
>     >  Director for At-Large
>     >  Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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> Regards,
> 
> Nick Ashton-Hart
> Director for At-Large
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