[Euro-board] [ALAC-Internal] Details on why the france at large application was turned down
Jeanette Hofmann
j.hofmann at lse.ac.uk
Wed May 21 11:05:36 EDT 2008
Yes, it does. I am fine with the letter now. Lets see what others have
to say.
jeanette
Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
> You are most welcome – how about the paragraph I have inserted below in
> the text of the letter to address your points?
>
>
> On 21/05/2008 15:53, "Jeanette Hofmann" <jeanette at wzb.eu> wrote:
>
> Hi Nick, thank you for compiling this letter. I think the factual basis
> of the letter is good. What I find missing as a conclusion following the
> presentation of those facts. Do you think an explanatory letter doesn't
> need a conclusion along the line of: Therefore, we were unable to follow
> your request....
> I think it would also be good to finish with an encouraging note that
> once the mailing lists show more activity, a new request for membership
> is welcome.
>
> thanks, jeanette
>
> Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
> > Dear ALAC Members and EURALO Board Members:
> >
> > As you know, we have a total of seven days to provide details on
> why the
> > application of france at large was rejected. That reply is to be sent not
> > later than 23rd May, this coming Friday.
> >
> > I have tried to compile together the salient issues identified
> with this
> > application and present them in the form of a letter for your
> review. My
> > apologies that it has taken a couple of days but we are all pretty
> > swamped arranging the agenda for the Paris meeting since the At-Large
> > agenda changed quite substantially as a result of the Planning Meeting
> > WG call this past Friday.
> >
> > Of course this is just a draft - we are happy to compile any changes
> > required to produce a final draft. The word version of the letter is
> > also attached.
> >
> > TO: france at large
> > FROM: staff at atlarge.icann.org
> > cc: A Muehlberg, S Bachollet, alac-excomm at atlarge-lists.icann.org,
> > euro-board at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > RE: Application of france at large for At-Large Structure (ALS)
> accreditation
> >
> > Dear Sir or Madam:
> > We write to you at the request of the At-Large Advisory Committee
> (ALAC)
> > in order to provide you with information on the reasons why your
> > application to join the At-Large community was not successful. We hope
> > that the information provided below facilitates your understanding:
> >
> > · *Statements made on the application form are not borne out
> on the
> > france at large website.* For example, the application (reply to question
> > 1b) states that:
> >
> > “Members of the At-Large community can freely join france at large by
> > subscribing to the general mailing list. The members organise the list
> > moderation and decide on what motions and projects they will vote.”
> > However, the general mailing list archives hosted on your website for
> > members have no postings (as at the time of application). In reply to
> > question 2(f), the application states that:
> > “…At the end of 2007, there were 17 members….”
> > However, since the application in several places makes clear that all
> > the activities of france at large are to happen on the general members
> > forum – including but not limited to joining the organisation – and
> > those forums are empty, the only conclusion which can reasonably be
> > drawn is that there are no members.
> >
> > · *The application implies that france at large is associated with
> > organisations which are independent third parties, yet in several
> cases
> > the WHOIS data for these sites seem to lead to the same email address,
> > which was also used to register one of the two france at large domains:
> > *
> > For example, on question 1 of Objectives, the application states that
> > france at large:
> > “… Plans to participate:
> > In the French, European and Global Internet Governance Forums
> > (http://franceatlarge.fr/index.php?title=Propositions_FGI) …”
> > And goes on to list in specific:
> > “… In the Intertest for projects concerning current usage…”
> > A sample search of the WHOIS records for some of the organisations
> > referenced at http://franceatlarge.fr/index.php?title=Propositions_FGI
> > was conducted. The WHOIS records for intertest.org and wecann.info are
> > identical in virtually every respect to those for one of the two
> domain
> > names for france at large, franceatlarge.org (see full WHOIS results
> at the
> > end of this letter).
> >
> > We note that wecann.info has a mailing list with a closed archive,
> > however, upon registration, the archive shows no posts have been made,
> > and the membership list is restricted.
> >
>
> In closing, for these reasons we were unable to accredit your
> organisation as an At-Large Structure. Should your organisation’s
> situation change, we encourage you to re-apply for ALS status. In the
> meantime, we wish to emphasise that you, like all individual Internet
> users, are welcome to continue to participate in EURALO’s mailing list
> and its work.
>
> > We understand that you may wish to appeal the decision reached. If so,
> > we wish to draw your attention to the three options that you have in
> > this respect which were provided in our email to you on 16th May 2008,
> > and which are repeated below for your convenience:
> >
> > *1. Request that the ALAC Reconsider Its Decision
> > *If you believe that the reasons for the adverse decision are not
> > correct once you have received them, you may ask the ALAC to
> reconsider
> > the decision. When requesting ALAC reconsideration, please provide
> > details of why you believe the decision is not correct in as much
> detail
> > as you believe will be useful, and transmit this by email, along with
> > any supplementary documentation you believe relevant, to
> > staff at atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff at atlarge.icann.org> . The staff
> > will acknowledge receipt and transmit the information to the ALAC.
> >
> > *2. Contact the ICANN Ombudsman
> > *ICANN has established the Office of the Ombudsman to evaluate and
> where
> > possible resolve complaints about unfair or inappropriate treatment by
> > ICANN. For more information about ICANN's Ombudsman, please visit
> > http://www.icann.org/ombudsman. If you have a dispute you want the
> > Ombudsman to investigate, or to contact the Ombudsman, please visit
> > http://www.icann.org/ombudsman/contact.htm.
> >
> > *3. ICANN Board of Directors Reconsideration
> > *ICANN's Board of Directors has established a Reconsideration
> Committee
> > to handle requests from any person or entity that has been materially
> > affected by any ICANN staff action if such person or entity
> believes the
> > action contradicts established ICANN policies, or by actions of the
> > Board that such person or entity believes has been taken without
> > consideration of material information. Note: this is a brief
> summary of
> > the relevant Bylaws provisions. For more information about ICANN's
> > reconsideration process, please visit
> > http://www.icann.org/committees/reconsideration.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > ICANN At-Large Advisory Committee
> >
> >
> >
> > Intertest.org WHOIS
> >
> > (Asked whois.pir.org:43 about /intertest.org/)
> > Domain ID: D130972759-LROR
> > Domain Name: INTERTEST.ORG
> > <http://samspade.org/whois?query=INTERTEST.ORG;server=auto>
> > Created On: 17-Oct-2006 22: 28: 34 UTC
> > Last Updated On: 04-Dec-2007 14: 11: 27 UTC
> > Expiration Date: 17-Oct-2008 22: 28: 34 UTC
> > Sponsoring Registrar: Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR)
> > Status: CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
> > Registrant ID: 18036335-NSI
> > Registrant Name: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
> > foundation
> > Registrant Organization: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
> > foundation
> > Registrant Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
> > Registrant Street2:
> > Registrant Street3:
> > Registrant City: McLean
> > Registrant State/Province: VA
> > Registrant Postal Code: 22101
> > Registrant Country: US
> > Registrant Phone: 1.7072482449
> > Registrant Phone Ext.:
> > Registrant FAX: 1.7072482449
> > Registrant FAX Ext.:
> > Registrant Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
> >
> > Admin ID: 18036335-NSI
> > Admin Name: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
> > foundation
> > Admin Organization: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
> > foundation
> > Admin Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
> > Admin Street2:
> > Admin Street3:
> > Admin City: McLean
> > Admin State/Province: VA
> > Admin Postal Code: 22101
> > Admin Country: US
> > Admin Phone: 1.7072482449
> > Admin Phone Ext.:
> > Admin FAX: 1.7072482449
> > Admin FAX Ext.:
> > Admin Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
> >
> > Tech ID: 18036335-NSI
> > Tech Name: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
> > foundation
> > Tech Organization: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
> > foundation
> > Tech Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
> > Tech Street2:
> > Tech Street3:
> > Tech City: McLean
> > Tech State/Province: VA
> > Tech Postal Code: 22101
> > Tech Country: US
> > Tech Phone: 1.7072482449
> > Tech Phone Ext.:
> > Tech FAX: 1.7072482449
> > Tech FAX Ext.:
> > Tech Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
> >
> > Name Server: DNS1.NETTICA.COM
> > <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS1.NETTICA.COM;server=auto>
> > Name Server: DNS2.NETTICA.COM
> > <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS2.NETTICA.COM;server=auto>
> > Name Server: DNS3.NETTICA.COM
> > <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS3.NETTICA.COM;server=auto>
> > Name Server: DNS4.NETTICA.COM
> > <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS4.NETTICA.COM;server=auto>
> > Name Server: DNS5.NETTICA.COM
> > <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS5.NETTICA.COM;server=auto>
> >
> > Wecann.info WHOIS
> >
> > (Asked whois.afilias.info:43 about wecann.info)
> > Access to INFO WHOIS information is provided to assist persons in
> > determining the contents of a domain name registration record in the
> > Afilias registry database. The data in this record is provided by
> > Afilias Limited for informational purposes only and Afilias does not
> > guarantee its accuracy. This service is intended only for query-based
> > access. You agree that you will use this data only for lawful purposes
> > and that under no circumstances will you use this data to: (a) allow
> > enable or otherwise support the transmission by e-mail telephone or
> > facsimile of mass unsolicited commercial advertising or solicitations
> > to entities other than the data recipient's own existing customers; or
> > (b) enable high volume automated electronic processes that send
> > queries or data to the systems of Registry Operator a Registrar or
> > Afilias except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or
> > modify existing registrations. All rights reserved. Afilias
> reserves the
> > right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query you
> > agree to abide by this policy.
> > Domain ID: D23071066-LRMS
> > Domain Name: WECANN.INFO
> > <http://samspade.org/whois?query=WECANN.INFO;server=auto>
> > Created On: 30-Dec-2007 18: 11: 03 UTC
> > Last Updated On: 28-Feb-2008 20: 33: 47 UTC
> > Expiration Date: 30-Dec-2008 18: 11: 03 UTC
> > Sponsoring Registrar: Network Solutions (R122-LRMS)
> > Status: CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
> > Registrant ID: C3525328-LRMS
> > Registrant Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
> >
> > Registrant Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
> >
> > Registrant Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
> > Registrant Street2:
> > Registrant Street3:
> > Registrant City: McLeab
> > Registrant State/Province: VA
> > Registrant Postal Code: 22101
> > Registrant Country: US
> > Registrant Phone: 1.7072482449
> > Registrant Phone Ext.:
> > Registrant FAX: 1.7072482449
> > Registrant FAX Ext.:
> > Registrant Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
> >
> > Admin ID: C3525328-LRMS
> > Admin Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
> >
> > Admin Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
> >
> > Admin Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
> > Admin Street2:
> > Admin Street3:
> > Admin City: McLeab
> > Admin State/Province: VA
> > Admin Postal Code: 22101
> > Admin Country: US
> > Admin Phone: 1.7072482449
> > Admin Phone Ext.:
> > Admin FAX: 1.7072482449
> > Admin FAX Ext.:
> > Admin Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
> >
> > Billing ID: C2575260-LRMS
> > Billing Name: UTEL
> > Billing Organization: UTEL
> > Billing Street1: 1350 Beverly Rd 115-331
> > Billing Street2:
> > Billing Street3:
> > Billing City: MC LEAN
> > Billing State/Province: VA
> > Billing Postal Code: 22101
> > Billing Country: US
> > Billing Phone: 011.3313950
> > Billing Phone Ext.:
> > Billing FAX: 707.2492448
> > Billing FAX Ext.:
> > Billing Email: jefsey at jefsey.com <mailto:jefsey at jefsey.com>
> >
> > Tech ID: C3525328-LRMS
> > Tech Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
> >
> > Tech Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
> >
> > Tech Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
> > Tech Street2:
> > Tech Street3:
> > Tech City: McLeab
> > Tech State/Province: VA
> > Tech Postal Code: 22101
> > Tech Country: US
> > Tech Phone: 1.7072482449
> > Tech Phone Ext.:
> > Tech FAX: 1.7072482449
> > Tech FAX Ext.:
> > Tech Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
> >
> > Name Server: DNS.PRESENCEWEB.ORG
> > <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS.PRESENCEWEB.ORG;server=auto>
> > Name Server: DNS2.PRESENCEWEB.ORG
> > <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS2.PRESENCEWEB.ORG;server=auto>
> >
> > Franceatlarge.org <mailto:France at large.org> WHOIS
> >
> > (Asked whois.pir.org:43 about franceatlarge.org)
> > Domain ID: D148934686-LROR
> > Domain Name: FRANCEATLARGE.ORG
> > <http://samspade.org/whois?query=FRANCEATLARGE.ORG;server=auto>
> > Created On: 22-Aug-2007 15: 21: 48 UTC
> > Last Updated On: 31-Jan-2008 16: 35: 10 UTC
> > Expiration Date: 22-Aug-2008 15: 21: 48 UTC
> > Sponsoring Registrar: Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR)
> > Status: CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
> > Registrant ID: 18036317-NSI
> > Registrant Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
> >
> > Registrant Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
> >
> > Registrant Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
> > Registrant Street2:
> > Registrant Street3:
> > Registrant City: McLeab
> > Registrant State/Province: VA
> > Registrant Postal Code: 22101
> > Registrant Country: US
> > Registrant Phone: 1.7072482449
> > Registrant Phone Ext.:
> > Registrant FAX: 1.7072482449
> > Registrant FAX Ext.:
> > Registrant Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
> >
> > Admin ID: 18036317-NSI
> > Admin Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
> >
> > Admin Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
> >
> > Admin Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
> > Admin Street2:
> > Admin Street3:
> > Admin City: McLeab
> > Admin State/Province: VA
> > Admin Postal Code: 22101
> > Admin Country: US
> > Admin Phone: 1.7072482449
> > Admin Phone Ext.:
> > Admin FAX: 1.7072482449
> > Admin FAX Ext.:
> > Admin Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
> >
> > Tech ID: 18036317-NSI
> > Tech Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
> >
> > Tech Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
> >
> > Tech Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
> > Tech Street2:
> > Tech Street3:
> > Tech City: McLeab
> > Tech State/Province: VA
> > Tech Postal Code: 22101
> > Tech Country: US
> > Tech Phone: 1.7072482449
> > Tech Phone Ext.:
> > Tech FAX: 1.7072482449
> > Tech FAX Ext.:
> > Tech Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
> >
> > Name Server: DNS.PRESENCEWEB.ORG
> > <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS.PRESENCEWEB.ORG;server=auto>
> > Name Server: DNS2.PRESENCEWEB.ORG
> > <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS2.PRESENCEWEB.ORG;server=auto>
> > Name Server:
> > Name Server:
> > Name Server:
> > Name Server:
> > Name Server:
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> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Nick Ashton-Hart
> > Director for At-Large
> > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> > Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88
> > USA DD: +1 (310) 301-8637
> > Fax: +41 (22) 594-85-44
> > Mobile: +41 (79) 595 54-68
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> > Skype: nashtonhart
> > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
> >
> >
> >
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>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Nick Ashton-Hart
> Director for At-Large
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> Main Tel: +33 (450) 40 46 88
> USA DD: +1 (310) 301-8637
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