[Euro-board] Details on why the france at large application was turned down
Nick Ashton-Hart
Nick.Ashton-Hart at icann.org
Tue May 20 06:56:02 EDT 2008
Dear ALAC Members and EURALO Board Members:
As you know, we have a total of seven days to provide details on why the application of france at large was rejected. That reply is to be sent not later than 23rd May, this coming Friday.
I have tried to compile together the salient issues identified with this application and present them in the form of a letter for your review. My apologies that it has taken a couple of days but we are all pretty swamped arranging the agenda for the Paris meeting since the At-Large agenda changed quite substantially as a result of the Planning Meeting WG call this past Friday.
Of course this is just a draft - we are happy to compile any changes required to produce a final draft. The word version of the letter is also attached.
TO: france at large
FROM: staff at atlarge.icann.org
cc: A Muehlberg, S Bachollet, alac-excomm at atlarge-lists.icann.org, euro-board at atlarge-lists.icann.org
RE: Application of france at large for At-Large Structure (ALS) accreditation
Dear Sir or Madam:
We write to you at the request of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) in order to provide you with information on the reasons why your application to join the At-Large community was not successful. We hope that the information provided below facilitates your understanding:
* Statements made on the application form are not borne out on the france at large website. For example, the application (reply to question 1b) states that:
"Members of the At-Large community can freely join france at large by subscribing to the general mailing list. The members organise the list moderation and decide on what motions and projects they will vote."
However, the general mailing list archives hosted on your website for members have no postings (as at the time of application). In reply to question 2(f), the application states that:
"...At the end of 2007, there were 17 members...."
However, since the application in several places makes clear that all the activities of france at large are to happen on the general members forum - including but not limited to joining the organisation - and those forums are empty, the only conclusion which can reasonably be drawn is that there are no members.
* The application implies that france at large is associated with organisations which are independent third parties, yet in several cases the WHOIS data for these sites seem to lead to the same email address, which was also used to register one of the two france at large domains:
For example, on question 1 of Objectives, the application states that france at large:
"... Plans to participate:
In the French, European and Global Internet Governance Forums (http://franceatlarge.fr/index.php?title=Propositions_FGI) ..."
And goes on to list in specific:
"... In the Intertest for projects concerning current usage..."
A sample search of the WHOIS records for some of the organisations referenced at http://franceatlarge.fr/index.php?title=Propositions_FGI was conducted. The WHOIS records for intertest.org and wecann.info are identical in virtually every respect to those for one of the two domain names for france at large, franceatlarge.org (see full WHOIS results at the end of this letter).
We note that wecann.info has a mailing list with a closed archive, however, upon registration, the archive shows no posts have been made, and the membership list is restricted.
We understand that you may wish to appeal the decision reached. If so, we wish to draw your attention to the three options that you have in this respect which were provided in our email to you on 16th May 2008, and which are repeated below for your convenience:
1. Request that the ALAC Reconsider Its Decision
If you believe that the reasons for the adverse decision are not correct once you have received them, you may ask the ALAC to reconsider the decision. When requesting ALAC reconsideration, please provide details of why you believe the decision is not correct in as much detail as you believe will be useful, and transmit this by email, along with any supplementary documentation you believe relevant, to staff at atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff at atlarge.icann.org> . The staff will acknowledge receipt and transmit the information to the ALAC.
2. Contact the ICANN Ombudsman
ICANN has established the Office of the Ombudsman to evaluate and where possible resolve complaints about unfair or inappropriate treatment by ICANN. For more information about ICANN's Ombudsman, please visit http://www.icann.org/ombudsman. If you have a dispute you want the Ombudsman to investigate, or to contact the Ombudsman, please visit http://www.icann.org/ombudsman/contact.htm.
3. ICANN Board of Directors Reconsideration
ICANN's Board of Directors has established a Reconsideration Committee to handle requests from any person or entity that has been materially affected by any ICANN staff action if such person or entity believes the action contradicts established ICANN policies, or by actions of the Board that such person or entity believes has been taken without consideration of material information. Note: this is a brief summary of the relevant Bylaws provisions. For more information about ICANN's reconsideration process, please visit http://www.icann.org/committees/reconsideration.
Regards,
ICANN At-Large Advisory Committee
Intertest.org WHOIS
(Asked whois.pir.org:43 about intertest.org)
Domain ID: D130972759-LROR
Domain Name: INTERTEST.ORG <http://samspade.org/whois?query=INTERTEST.ORG;server=auto>
Created On: 17-Oct-2006 22: 28: 34 UTC
Last Updated On: 04-Dec-2007 14: 11: 27 UTC
Expiration Date: 17-Oct-2008 22: 28: 34 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar: Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR)
Status: CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID: 18036335-NSI
Registrant Name: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
foundation
Registrant Organization: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
foundation
Registrant Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City: McLean
Registrant State/Province: VA
Registrant Postal Code: 22101
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: 1.7072482449
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX: 1.7072482449
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
Admin ID: 18036335-NSI
Admin Name: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
foundation
Admin Organization: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
foundation
Admin Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City: McLean
Admin State/Province: VA
Admin Postal Code: 22101
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: 1.7072482449
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX: 1.7072482449
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
Tech ID: 18036335-NSI
Tech Name: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
foundation
Tech Organization: the world at wide <mailto:world at wide>
foundation
Tech Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City: McLean
Tech State/Province: VA
Tech Postal Code: 22101
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: 1.7072482449
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX: 1.7072482449
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
Name Server: DNS1.NETTICA.COM <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS1.NETTICA.COM;server=auto>
Name Server: DNS2.NETTICA.COM <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS2.NETTICA.COM;server=auto>
Name Server: DNS3.NETTICA.COM <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS3.NETTICA.COM;server=auto>
Name Server: DNS4.NETTICA.COM <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS4.NETTICA.COM;server=auto>
Name Server: DNS5.NETTICA.COM <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS5.NETTICA.COM;server=auto>
Wecann.info WHOIS
(Asked whois.afilias.info:43 about wecann.info)
Access to INFO WHOIS information is provided to assist persons in determining the contents of a domain name registration record in the Afilias registry database. The data in this record is provided by Afilias Limited for informational purposes only and Afilias does not guarantee its accuracy. This service is intended only for query-based access. You agree that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this data to: (a) allow enable or otherwise support the transmission by e-mail telephone or facsimile of mass unsolicited commercial advertising or solicitations to entities other than the data recipient's own existing customers; or
(b) enable high volume automated electronic processes that send queries or data to the systems of Registry Operator a Registrar or Afilias except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or modify existing registrations. All rights reserved. Afilias reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query you agree to abide by this policy.
Domain ID: D23071066-LRMS
Domain Name: WECANN.INFO <http://samspade.org/whois?query=WECANN.INFO;server=auto>
Created On: 30-Dec-2007 18: 11: 03 UTC
Last Updated On: 28-Feb-2008 20: 33: 47 UTC
Expiration Date: 30-Dec-2008 18: 11: 03 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar: Network Solutions (R122-LRMS)
Status: CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID: C3525328-LRMS
Registrant Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
Registrant Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
Registrant Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City: McLeab
Registrant State/Province: VA
Registrant Postal Code: 22101
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: 1.7072482449
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX: 1.7072482449
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
Admin ID: C3525328-LRMS
Admin Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
Admin Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
Admin Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City: McLeab
Admin State/Province: VA
Admin Postal Code: 22101
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: 1.7072482449
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX: 1.7072482449
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
Billing ID: C2575260-LRMS
Billing Name: UTEL
Billing Organization: UTEL
Billing Street1: 1350 Beverly Rd 115-331
Billing Street2:
Billing Street3:
Billing City: MC LEAN
Billing State/Province: VA
Billing Postal Code: 22101
Billing Country: US
Billing Phone: 011.3313950
Billing Phone Ext.:
Billing FAX: 707.2492448
Billing FAX Ext.:
Billing Email: jefsey at jefsey.com <mailto:jefsey at jefsey.com>
Tech ID: C3525328-LRMS
Tech Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
Tech Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
Tech Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City: McLeab
Tech State/Province: VA
Tech Postal Code: 22101
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: 1.7072482449
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX: 1.7072482449
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
Name Server: DNS.PRESENCEWEB.ORG <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS.PRESENCEWEB.ORG;server=auto>
Name Server: DNS2.PRESENCEWEB.ORG <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS2.PRESENCEWEB.ORG;server=auto>
Franceatlarge.org <mailto:France at large.org> WHOIS
(Asked whois.pir.org:43 about franceatlarge.org)
Domain ID: D148934686-LROR
Domain Name: FRANCEATLARGE.ORG <http://samspade.org/whois?query=FRANCEATLARGE.ORG;server=auto>
Created On: 22-Aug-2007 15: 21: 48 UTC
Last Updated On: 31-Jan-2008 16: 35: 10 UTC
Expiration Date: 22-Aug-2008 15: 21: 48 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar: Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR)
Status: CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID: 18036317-NSI
Registrant Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
Registrant Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
Registrant Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City: McLeab
Registrant State/Province: VA
Registrant Postal Code: 22101
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: 1.7072482449
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX: 1.7072482449
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
Admin ID: 18036317-NSI
Admin Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
Admin Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
Admin Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City: McLeab
Admin State/Province: VA
Admin Postal Code: 22101
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: 1.7072482449
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX: 1.7072482449
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
Tech ID: 18036317-NSI
Tech Name: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
Tech Organization: WORLD at WIDE <mailto:WORLD at WIDE>
Tech Street1: 1350 Beverly Road 15-331
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City: McLeab
Tech State/Province: VA
Tech Postal Code: 22101
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: 1.7072482449
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX: 1.7072482449
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email: info at execlub.org <mailto:info at execlub.org>
Name Server: DNS.PRESENCEWEB.ORG <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS.PRESENCEWEB.ORG;server=auto>
Name Server: DNS2.PRESENCEWEB.ORG <http://samspade.org/whois?query=DNS2.PRESENCEWEB.ORG;server=auto>
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Regards,
Nick Ashton-Hart
Director for At-Large
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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