[At-Large] [NA-Discuss] ALAC vote on RAA now open -- and it sucks

Thu Dec 11 12:52:17 EST 2008

Alan, 

It matters little what Kurt Pritz said at Cairo -- ICANN Staff does not call the shots -- this is supposed to be a bottom-up organization in which the stakeholders have the voice.  

All or nothing is not how the GNSO has managed its policy development process thus far.  The transfers policy work is just one example of how a large package got broken down into more managable bits, each with its own PDP.  Further, you are well aware that even if the ICANN Counsel determines that a PDP is not in scope, his opinion can be overridden by the Council (which is what effectively happened in the Contractual Conditions PDP).

If you want to press forward, start by demanding that Staff put together the briefing that the ALAC requested.  You have seen that ICANN can throw together a briefing in short notice when it wants to -- see the "Outrageous" thread -- the ALAC is getting screwed by Staff and shouldn't put up with this type of BS.

In the meantime, a request to defer GNSO action until we (and other intrerested GNSO parties) have had a briefing is certainly not out of line.

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:

> From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC vote on RAA now open -- and it sucks
> To: "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "NA Discuss" <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 12:26 PM
> Danny, unless I (and others I have talked to) misunderstood
> what Kurt Pritz said at the Thursday GNSO meeting in Cairo,
> it is all or nothing. Any other package (subset or superset)
> will require a full-blown GNSO PDP. And my reading is that
> some of the terms in this package (sucg as enforcement and
> re-certification on registrar sale) are not terms that are
> within scope for a GNSO PDP.
> 
> I personally do not completely understand why this
> particular package can be addressed by the "old"
> consensus definition, but any new package requires a full
> PDP, but that is what has been said. It makes some sense if
> you believe that the current package was derived based on
> wide community consultation (which is one of the steps of
> the old process). I know that some people believe that
> consultation process was flawed, but I am simply presenting
> the options that were (I think) given to the GNSO.
> 
> If I got the message wrong, then I apologize and I will ask
> the GNSO to defer a decision based on my sending the wrong
> message to At-Large.
> 
> Alan
> 
> At 11/12/2008 12:16 PM, Danny Younger wrote:
> > Alan,
> > 
> > Perhaps you can explain why this vote only puts
> forward options to accept/reject/defer a complete
> "package" of amendments?  The ALAC can indeed
> recommend adopting certain amendments while rejecting other
> amendments.  You have unnecessarily limited the field of
> available choices.
> > 
> > The GNSO is not obligated to vote up or down on a
> total package and neither is the ALAC -- the amendments can
> be ratified or rejected on an individual basis.  If you want
> to handle this properly, why don't you get some
> discussion started with the ALAC members on each of the
> individual amendments.  It would be nice to hear some
> discussion once in a while by Committee members, don't
> you think?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Alan Greenberg
> <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Alan Greenberg
> <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
> > > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] ALAC vote on
> RAA now open -- and it sucks
> > > To: "At-Large Worldwide"
> <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "NA
> Discuss" <na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> > > Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 11:58 AM
> > > That text was posted in error. I called this to
> the
> > > attention of
> > > staff as soon as I saw it. It has been replaced
> (prior to
> > > anyone
> > > voting). The four options now read:
> > >
> > > 1) Recommend the GNSO to accept the current RAA
> package,
> > > with the
> > > possibility of further policy development in the
> future.
> > >
> > > 2) Recommend that the GNSO do not approve the
> current RAA
> > > package.
> > >
> > > 3) Recommend that the GNSO defer the decision
> until such
> > > time that
> > > the ALAC can be properly briefed on the current
> position by
> > > ICANN staff
> > >
> > > 4) Abstain
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > > At 11/12/2008 10:58 AM, Danny Younger wrote:
> > > >So who do we have to thank for the totally
> biased
> > > language below?!!
> > > >
> > > >The phrasing of Point #3 is an insult to
> everyone that
> > > has worked hard to
> > > >draw attention to the great many flaws in the
> proposed
> > > RAA
> > > >amendments package.  On what basis was the
> > > determination made: "but
> > > >the ICANN Board would probably not accept
> it"?
> > > That's a bunch of
> > > >crap.  The Board liaison did not bring
> forward that
> > > viewpoint, nor
> > > >is there a record of correspondence with any
> Board
> > > members to assert
> > > >that such is a board position.
> > > >
> > > > >From the ALAC Archives:
> > > >
> > > >"At the last ALAC meeting, it was
> decided to put
> > > the ALAC recommendation to
> > > >the GNSO on the RAA package to an online
> vote. The
> > > online vote will remain
> > > >open until Thursday, 18 December at 2359 UTC.
> Each
> > > member of the ALAC will
> > > >shortly receive a private email with their
> voting
> > > credentials and a link to
> > > >the online vote. They will be asked to choose
> between
> > > the following options:
> > > >
> > > >1) Recommend the GNSO to defer because the
> briefing is
> > > required to
> > > >understand the context
> > > >
> > > >2) Recommend the GNSO to accept the current
> package,
> > > with the
> > > >possibility of further work on amendments on
> issues
> > > remaining continues
> > > >
> > > >3) Recommend the GNSO to reject the
> amendments package
> > > and start
> > > >from square one, but the ICANN Board would
> probably not
> > > accept it
> > > >
> > > >4) Abstain
> > > >
> > > >There's nothing more disgusting than the
> bald
> > > attempt to force
> > > >through a position vis-a-vis poorly drafted
> available
> > > choices.  It's
> > > >contemptible.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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