[At-Large] RES: RES: DOC Notice of Inquiry: DNSSEC

Mon Oct 13 19:09:23 EDT 2008

HI Ross
 Considering the effort DOC had made to avoid the take over of ICANN by ITU and other countries , I don't see in this Doc's move something to reduce the strategic importance of ICANN.  
What I see is just a political maneuver to signalize to other countries that Doc is becoming open to take his hands out of DNS, but matter of fact, there is no chance to this happens. 
Diplomatically speaking the move is interesting because it is a response to the existent pressure to this move really happen, So, doing this open consultation for further consideration, you reduce the pressure  in order to have time to better analyze the new reality when the new government starts. It is election year. All moves must be seen considering this.
best

Vanda Scartezini
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De: at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Ross Rader
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 13 de outubro de 2008 16:44
Para: At-Large Worldwide
Assunto: Re: [At-Large] RES: DOC Notice of Inquiry: DNSSEC

I think you are very close to my point Vanda.

The UN, ITU, etc. are all international organizations - i.e.  
organizations that sit between nations.

ICANN was conceived of as a global organization, something that works  
independently of governments and nations (certainly not outside the  
reach of governments and their laws). ICANN was to be an organization  
that sat between people - an interpersonal organization.

The DOC consultation seems to be saying, we don't trust the  
organization that we delegated this responsibility to (that of global  
consultation on DNS policy issues) so we're going to undertake an  
international consultation.

The impact of this is two-fold - it diminishes the power and  
importance of ICANN as the organization where DNS policy matters are  
dealt with and more importantly, it diminishes the power and  
importance of individuals in that process.

On Oct 13, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Vanda Scartezini UOL wrote:

> Hi all
> I guess everybody knows that many governments did not like the Idea  
> of ICANN not to be really international.
> Unhappily the way people see international organization around the  
> world nowadays still have a government strong hand. This was the key  
> point to ITU to start the internet governance forum in the first  
> place. Many reactions against the idea of have United Nations well  
> known not efficient system taking care of Internet gave some relief  
> for this battle but still have a lot of pressure to ICANN to move  
> into an international organization other than one supported/  
> controlled/ assisted ( whatever the word is) etc by any government .
> There is no such model to copy, so the process to reach a new model  
> for ICANN will take some time and till them the system we are  
> running under now shall be improved to accommodate mostly the  
> tentative models we will be testing.
> My little experience with DOC tells me that they will take into  
> consideration whatever relevant comments they receive not matter  
> from which part of the world they come from. Americans are practical  
> people. Any good proposal they can use for free, they will.
> Many of us have a very clear position and add such comments will  
> certainly contribute to improve the whole process.
> regards
>
>
>
> Vanda Scartezini
> Polo Consultores Associados
> Alameda Santos 1470 #1407
> Tel - +55113266.6253
> Mob- +55118181.1464
> vanda at uol.com.br
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> De: at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org 
> ] Em nome de Yassin Mshana
> Enviada em: sexta-feira, 10 de outubro de 2008 12:52
> Para: At-Large Worldwide
> Assunto: Re: [At-Large] DOC Notice of Inquiry: DNSSEC
>
>
> Talking from the USERs side: I agree with Ross - any Government  
> intervention in the "functioning"  of the Internet is not good news  
> now, and in the future. The Internet phenomenon is a development  
> that should not be politicized and not Governed by any particular  
> sovereign state as it has been since ICANN (and its Constituencies)  
> was mandated to do.
>
> There is room for each Governments to advise;that is through GAC and  
> that process has been going on well.(?)
> At least there is this resource that is "neutral" and should be kept  
> so.
>
> ym
>
>> From: ross at tucows.com> To: at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date:  
>> Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:37:11 -0400> Subject: Re: [At-Large] DOC Notice  
>> of Inquiry: DNSSEC> > > On Oct 10, 2008, at 7:28 AM, John L wrote:>  
>> > > I read it as primarily an invitation to foreign governments.  
>> They > > can accept comments from anyone, but I agree that  
>> individuals > > outside the US aren't likely to be high on the list  
>> of influencers.> > I read it as a way of subverting the global,  
>> private sector led > process that we all agreed to back in the  
>> '90's.> > international != global.> > The USG needs to back-off of  
>> our internet.> > /r> >  
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