[At-Large] [ALAC-Internal] RES: Notice of Opening for Board Liaison Nominations Period

Fri Jun 6 09:32:01 EDT 2008

JFC and all,

  No one had really heard of France at large even in France
itself until recently.  Most of those frenchmen and women
that do now and recently were and are INEGroup members
which number over 4k today.  Additionally France at large's
DN's DNS is grossly miscongfigured and as a result, 
currently represents a clear a present danger to users
everywhere.  Open relays are s significant danger.

See: 
http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=franceatlarge.org&token=15a06e907089653f2f646f89139a9019

  So JFC, although I recognize your effort to create from
whole thread a @large that is of French origin, what your
promoting, and to a degree how your promoting it, is
more than a bit disengenious, and due to technical 
deficiencies, again represents a clear a present danger
to users everywhere.

-----Original Message-----
>From: JFC Morfin <jefsey at jefsey.com>
>Sent: Jun 6, 2008 5:24 AM
>To: Thomas Roessler <roessler at does-not-exist.org>, "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>
>Cc: alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>Subject: Re: [At-Large] [ALAC-Internal] RES: Notice of Opening for Board	Liaison Nominations Period
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>At 12:47 06/06/2008, Thomas Roessler wrote:
>>On 2008-06-06 06:41:34 -0400, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:
>> > Not that JFC was self-nominating Sebastien, which of course is
>> > ridiculous.
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>>It would explain a lot, though.
>>(sorry, Sebastien, couldn't resist)
>>--
>>Thomas Roessler   <roessler at does-not-exist.org>
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>Dear Thomas and all,
>This joke should help all of you understand how ALAC management may 
>be perceived by new and candid new commers. france at large is certainly 
>the most advanced, concerned and involved lose net of @large people. 
>They do not focus on ICANN they consider as a set of cons and pros. 
>They focus on their own personal interests which is networked with 
>the interests of others. In life, business, culture, language, etc. 
>etc. including the Internet.
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>They also are an advanced group of people in terms of grassroots 
>evolution of the Internet and probably one of the few ALS having an 
>Internet usage architectural alternative under way, liaising with the 
>IETF, and active at the IGF level (local, european and worldwide). 
>This is why I personnally pushed them to welcome ICANN and enter ALAC.
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>Their reasoning is simple :
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>1. ALAC does not want us. Why to bother about them. We are on a 
>technical trend to societally by-pass them.
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>I agree with them, but, they do not necessarily evaluate correctly 
>the anglosaxon legacy we also have to support, the same as the 
>anglo-saxon world does not evaluate what is needed and developping in 
>the rest of the world. Making this understood by both sides is difficult.
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>2. This made I could not be a candidate to Euralo, and we cannot vote 
>in Paris. They know they are legitimate and that all this would be 
>administratively settled had I called upon the Ombudsman or/and the 
>BoD, instead of trusting Wolf and waiting to see him in Paris.
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>Wolf did not help in disregrading our invitation to the diner we 
>planned at Saff suggestion. They infered there would have a closed 
>BoF. To calm this, I nominated Sebastien as the only ALAC person 
>knowing the issues we are dealing with (I underlined I could not do it).
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>4. the very unfortunate comment of Staff on "self-nomination" came on 
>top of all this. It shows they equal Sebastien's positions with ours. 
>Everyone know we a very friendly with ISOC but very different too. 
>Your comment adds to it :-) ! They deduce the feud is by "merchant 
>concepts" (as per the IAB RFC 3869) - they daily suffer from in their 
>france at large endeavours, and against the "Internet French/WSIS/people 
>centric concepts".
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>For everyone to better undestand, I quote IAB (two years ago):  "The 
>principal thesis of this document [RFC 3869] is that if commercial 
>funding is the main source of funding for future Internet research, 
>the future of the Internet infrastructure could be in trouble.  In 
>addition to issues about which projects are funded, the funding 
>source can also affect the content of the research, for example, 
>towards or against the development of open standards, or taking 
>varying degrees of care about the effect of the developed protocols 
>on the other traffic on the Internet."
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>The solution proposed by IAB are: non-commercial R&D funding by 
>Governements (US mainly) or @large. The USG has not followed and said 
>US industry should be the funding source. Some IETF geeks then 
>switched to Google or Yahoo! france at large wen excluded but 
>sucessfully opposed (at IETF, ISO, SMSI) some of their most 
>contentious positions. A few days ago, france at large has closed a 
>mutual de facto understanding with the IETF/WG-IDNABIS over 
>IDNA/ML-DNS. In our mind, it should help a smooth transition from a 
>cahotic and born dead Internationalised Internet to a stable 
>Multilngual Internet, and permit the emergence of the Semantic Internet.
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>You may understand why they are upset and now laughing at the 
>ALAC/Staff's attitude. The question I constantly have is "what did 
>they produced, whet did they help?.
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>For ten years I tell ICANN "let get real". Then Esther Dyson said the 
>same. Many will say the same in coming months and two years (JPA and 
>IGF understanding of ICANN). There is a place for ICANN in the world 
>digital and semantic ecosystem supported by the Internet. This role 
>can only be introduced and made credible to users by ALAC, as the 
>ICANN own's users. Otherwise there will be a split, the USG/ICANN 
>dreaming of a new world shape and the world building itself 
>differently ...until there is a US/World interoperability clash.
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>The Internet is an interconnected computer assisted people's network, 
>the IETF only wants to influence the design, use and management for 
>it to work better along its own values [RFC 3935]. This means it 
>really is what the people think how it is built. ICANN is a 
>regulating organisationware tool for these computers. People can keep 
>using it, people can feel it is a bug. People will decide from what 
>they gather from @larges, as their nearest technical/legal pole of 
>responsible and authoritative competence.
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