[At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Community Input Requested on Two DraftStatements from ALAC to the ICANN Board

[Blogs.pn]

Jaqueline, we are on the same page on both issues. :)

Chris McElroy


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>
To: "Blogs.pn" <namecritic at blogs.pn>
Cc: <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Community Input Requested on Two 
DraftStatements from ALAC to the ICANN Board


> Hi Chris
> Yep - well, consistency isn't always required...
> But making all whois private won't actually be a solution to the spammers, 
> as there are other sources available to them. I don't want whois private 
> (at least for businesses) as I think it's useful to lots of other users, 
> (or it would be useful if it was accurate) and taking it completely 
> private would remove access to the tool.
> And I agree with removing the AGP entirely, so at least I'm consistent!
> :)
> Jacqueline
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Blogs.pn" <namecritic at blogs.pn>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:32 AM
> To: <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>
> Cc: <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Community Input Requested on Two 
> DraftStatements from ALAC to the ICANN Board
>
>> Just a comparison note. It seems funny that a lot of people are against 
>> eliminating the AGP altogether as a method for solving domain tasting, 
>> but they are willing to take a drastic measure like making ALL whois 
>> private as a soltion to the spammers. I thought the one-step-at-a-time 
>> approach to things was preferred.
>>
>> Chris McElroy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>
>> Cc: <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 7:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Community Input Requested on Two 
>> DraftStatements from ALAC to the ICANN Board
>>
>>
>>>I totally agree with this view. whois has legitimate uses, especially in
>>> business, and obviously needs to be accurate. What we do need, though,
>>> is a way to prevent the spammers and bad guys harvesting data from the
>>> whois database, without shutting it down by having it totally private
>>> and hidden.
>>>
>>> Jacqueline
>>> Derek Smythe wrote:
>>>> Blogs.pn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just think that if this is supposed to be to the benefit of
>>>>> registrants, then the registrant should be the one choosing the 
>>>>> option.
>>>>> This is not a case of "most people want their whois info private,
>>>>> therefore everyone must have their whois information private" or vice
>>>>> versa situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Each registrant should be able to choose for themselves. For example, 
>>>>> I
>>>>> do not want my whois information private. I like transparency. I like 
>>>>> my
>>>>> potential clients to have the ability to see who owns my business or 
>>>>> who
>>>>> owns the domain name I do business with. I can also see how some 
>>>>> people
>>>>> would rather have it private for very legitimate reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just do not believe that their reasons for wanting privacy are 
>>>>> greater
>>>>> than my reason for not wanting it or vice versa. Why should their 
>>>>> wishes
>>>>> override my wishes or my wishes override their wishes?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm definitely for enforcing that the whois information is accurate
>>>>> whether the registrant chooses privacy or not. But that is a separate
>>>>> issue. Why must the privacy issue be a one side wins or the other side
>>>>> wins situation? Personal choice should override all other concerns in 
>>>>> my
>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris McElroy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well said Chris!
>>>>
>>>> I believe there are options for registrants who would wish their whois
>>>> to be private, since registrars do provide such a service. I myself
>>>> use such a service as pointed out in my mail, also for a very
>>>> legitimate reason.
>>>>
>>>> Likewise there are those who abuse the current whois privacy
>>>> mechanisms by hiding fake whois data behind privacy services to avoid
>>>> responsibility for the domain usage.
>>>>
>>>> There are many legitimate businesses and normal registrants who prefer
>>>> their whois to be shown. In fact a protected whois record for business
>>>> is a red flag.
>>>>
>>>> As regards the whois accuracy issue, this was the original statement I
>>>> believe should stay as is:
>>>>
>>>>  >* WHOIS Accuracy and Reporting. We all know that WHOIS is very
>>>>  > inaccurate. This is a very serious problem and considerable effort
>>>>  > needs to be made to improve this situation....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Derek
>>>>
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