[At-Large] Motion to get the list back on topic

Thu Mar 6 15:17:02 EST 2008

 Seems we have to educate again.
The ALAC is the At Large Advisory Committee. There are 15 members. They 
are listed at alac.icann.org.
No one can simply "join" the ALAC.  If you are a member of an 
organisation that is an accredited ALS, then you may run for a position 
on the ALAC through the RALO election process in your geographic region. 
Or you may submit an application to the ICANN NomCom for appointment to 
a position on ALAC.
All RALOs accept groups as ALSes. Some also accept individuals. The 
criteria for ALS accreditation are posted at alac.icann.org.
INE Group is NOT an Accredited ALS according to the listing on the ALAC 
website. From what I have seen, it does not qualify to be an ALS, but if 
it wanted to participate in the structure, it could and should certainly 
apply, and the ALAC can apply the criteria.  I don't know what  
"Federal" registration means, as that term has nothing to do with ICANN 
and thus ALAC.
Therefore, the FACTS are:
INE Group is not an ALS. Jeffrey A. Williams is NOT a member of the ALAC.

Can we move on?
There are a lot of issues open for comment. Anybody want to talk about 
any of those?

Jacqueline

Thompson, Darlene wrote:
> You are a "member of the ALAC"???  In what capacity?  What is your
> title?  This is certainly news to me.
>
> And, I'm sorry, but we aren't just looking at a few disgruntled parties
> but an entire community that is tired of your multiple postings, cross
> postings, and off-topic postings.  When one person is responsible for
> over 40% of the postings on one list then there is obviously a problem.
>
> I, too, am not your friend and wish to see this cease.  If you cannot
> moderate yourself, then accept moderation from someone else.
>
> Darlene
>
> Darlene A. Thompson
> Community Access Program Administrator
> Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP
> c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910
> Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0
> Phone:  (867) 975-5631
> Fax:  (867) 975-5610
> dthompson at gov.nu.ca
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> [mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey A.
> Williams
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:25 PM
> To: John Levine
> Cc: ALAC
> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Motion to get the list back on topic
>
> John and all my friends,
>
>   ALS's do not have accredited groups from the documentation
> currently available.  So, no INEGroup is not and cannot be thus
> accredited as Jacqueline seems to be indicating.  However
> I am a member of the ALAC and also spokesman for INEGroup,
> and will likely remain so for the forseeable future.
>
>   However INEGroup is registered with the federal registry, and
> the FEC and has been sense 1998.  And our membership is
> growing!  >:)  All of our members whom elected me as spokesman
> are users as well as Domain Name registrants.  Ergo as spokesman
> and as a ALAC member our voices, opinions are expressed through
> myself or independantly as they apply to only myself accordingly.
>
> John Levine wrote:
>
>   
>>> From the ALS listing on alac.icann.org, INEGroup is not an
>>>       
> accredited ALS.
>   
>> Of course not, since it doesn't exist in the reality-based world.
>>
>>     
>>> The ALAC rules exist and the Chair has indicated that it will be
>>> considered, so I look forward to the ALAC decision, and hopefully a
>>>       
> more
>   
>>> streamlined and productive list with fewer distractions.
>>>       
>> I certainly hope so.  We have literally decades of experience with
>>     
> email
>   
>> discussion lists, and one of the hard-won lessons is how easily lists
>>     
> can
>   
>> be wrecked by one or two disruptive people.  After trying every
>>     
> imaginable
>   
>> alternative, it's always become clear that there's only one solution,
>> which is to remove the disruptive parties.
>>
>> It's much easier in this case because the parties in question have a
>> multi-year history of doing exactly the same thing to one list after
>> another.  If you don't believe me, look at the archives at the
>>     
> At-Large
>   
>> Study Committee list in 2001-2002:
>>
>> http://atlargestudy.org/forum_archive/index.shtml
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Levine, johnl at iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for
>>     
> Dummies",
>   
>> Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com,
>>     
> ex-Mayor
>   
>> "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.
>>
>>
>>     
>
> Regards,
>
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!)
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>
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>
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> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
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> ===============================================================
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