[At-Large] [Gnso-liaison] Is Staff in bed with NetSol?

Sun Feb 17 03:45:54 EST 2008

Danny and all my friends,

  Your historical review is essentially correct, as are your
conclusions as to what that history clearly indicates.  But I
believe that JFC has "Hope" that the ALAC will become
of great value to users.  Hope always springs internal, as the
saying goes...  I wonder, does the ALAC want to be self
financially sufficient?  No reason it cannot be.  But once
and/or if it ever becomes such, than how to use those
funds will be the next battle royal...

  First and foremost the ALAC needs to help itself before it
can help others.  And to a degree, the ALAC helping itself
is helping others...  But the ALAC trying to help itself to
ICANN's funds freely is a pipe dream and detrimental to it's
own cause...  ICANN is looking to eventually find a way
of making money from the ALAC, not be it's only or main
financial supporter...

  Building a financial footing is a very hard thing to do in the
beginning, I know from experience.  Continuous or ongoing
funding is also not an easy thing to do without very good
financial leadership.  So far I have not seen or read of the
ALAC having either the expertise for building the financial
footing, nor the financial leadership to effect continuous or
ongoing funding.  But remember, ICANN got it's financial
shot in the arm from NSOL...

  One non well thought out idea I have been playing around
with is perhaps the ALAC could get a loan [ no interest or very
low interest ] from the World Bank as initial funding?  After that
however the ALAC would be dependent on it's members donations
or membership fees, and outside donations for the foreseeable
future...  This would mean growing the membership quickly,
and at the same time those capable members doing funding
drives on a fairly regular basis to boot...  This means hard
WORK and plenty of it!

  However I freely admit there are many other workable
funding models for an organization like the ALAC.

Regards,

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Danny Younger wrote:

> Jefsey,
>
> Let's be clear about something -- I joined neither the
> IDNO nor the icannatlarge.com organization because
> they chose to do nothing more than wrangle about
> process, process, process.  These organizations didn't
> spend a single moment on policy development, policy
> analysis, policy review or policy implementation
> initiatives on behalf of either their members or those
> that they purported to represent.  The bulk of their
> time was spent on who gets elected to what seat, on
> motions to remove or censor other members, and on
> continuous in-fighting until they both
> self-destructed.
>
> The organizations that manage to survive in the ICANN
> ambit are the ones that make the defense of the
> interests of their constituents their number one
> priority, like the IPC.  The ALAC has not done that.
>
> When registrants pounded at ICANN's door in the wake
> of the RegisterFly disaster, did we see the ALAC do
> anything?  When registrants can no longer successfully
> transfer their domains owing to the behaviors of rogue
> registrars, does the ALAC do anything?  When NetSol's
> front-running captures the attention of both the media
> and the tech community, do we hear of the ALAC rising
> up forcefully to do something about it?  No, all we
> hear about is the ALAC asking for more money.
>
> The ALAC after six years is now nothing more than a
> monolithic single point of failure that plays at
> process, does nothing more than suck travel dollars
> out of ICANN and helps to swell an already bloated
> budget.
>
> The ALAC never had the gumption to stand up for their
> own representational rights, so how do you expect them
> to have the tenacity or interest to fight for anyone
> else?  All they seem to be able to do is issue
> milktoast "Statements" and elect suppliers instead of
> users to the NonCom.  Even when the NonCom Review
> recommended that the ALAC seat two members on the
> ICANN board, this useless group of noncommercial orgs
> did absolutely nothing to push the point on behalf of
> their own community -- this is a body that has become
> less than useless.
>
> --- JFC Morfin <jefsey at jefsey.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Danny,
> > for nearly eight years I know you, I do not know if
> > you have proposed
> > the text of a motion. I wander what is really your
> > target: you are an
> > informed hard worker, and sometimes extremely good,
> > on occasions
> > really brillant. However, I am afraid that instead
> > of helping the
> > community and ICANN you are fighting both. I opposed
> > you a lot when
> > you were GA Chair because you wanted to be the GA by
> > your own and
> > speak by yourself on our behalf - not because your
> > positions were
> > wrong (just sometimes, at that time, sophomore's
> > positions - but that
> > time is gone). Then you were not really fighting,
> > but not helping us
> > either with the IDNA and ICANN-alarge.
> >
> > Could we not reach a modus vivendi, where we (you
> > and ALAC) mutually
> > take advantage from the other, fight together for
> > the users, rather
> > that you fighting the ALAC. ALAC is not a democratic
> > representative
> > of the users, but certainly a sample of their most
> > motivated ones. If
> > you/we do not teach them, how do you want them to
> > know?
> > jfc
> >
> > At 00:30 17/02/2008, Danny Younger wrote:
> > >the ALAC, in its role as the "voice of the
> > individual
> > >Internet users" has absolutely nothing to say on
> > the
> > >topic...
> > >
> > >no policy recommendations, no request for an issues
> > >report, no request for a PDP, no request to ICANN
> > >Staff for feedback as to whether NetSol practices
> > >constitute a violation of the RAA -- instead, the
> > ALAC
> > >appears to be either totally clueless or horribly
> > >irresponsible -- but what can you really expect
> > from a
> > >bunch of people that are just pretending to be the
> > >at-large so that they can continue to milk the
> > ICANN
> > >cash cow?  If they really were the at-large, we
> > would
> > >have heard their outrage about these situations...
> > >instead all we hear are their ongoing requests for
> > >even more money while registrants receive no
> > >assistance whatsoever from their "Voice" within
> > ICANN.
> >
> >
>
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