[At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Results of the Voting for ALAC NominatingCommittee 2008 Appointments

[Danny Younger]

Wendy,

You are correct.  Matters were left to the complete
discretion of the ALAC, the champion of the user
interest, that in its wisdom elected the best possible
user representatives from the registry and registrar
communities.  

Perhaps next year you can elect VeriSign's Chuck Gomes
to serve as your user representative.



 
--- Wendy Seltzer <wendy at seltzer.com> wrote:

> If this were an appointment that were committed to a
> public election, 
> then there would indeed be grounds for complaints of
> interference.  As 
> it was one left to the complete discretion of the
> ALAC, which made no 
> promise to consider rosters of candidates, I don't
> understand the 
> accusations.
> 
> You may wish to seek changes to the ICANN bylaws, or
> to the operating 
> procedures of the RALO or the ALAC, but I don't see
> how attacking the 
> individuals helps understand either what went wrong
> or what needs to be 
> changed.
> 
> For example: the current structure gives the NA RALO
> no binding power, 
> such that its representatives were free to go beyond
> the NA RALO in 
> selecting and evaluating nominees for the NomCom,
> and so they sought 
> advice from multiple sources and ultimately made
> their own 
> recommendations.  Since that process left NA
> participants feeling 
> disenfranchised, let's find a way to improve both
> communications and the 
> structural participation of NA participants in the
> ALAC processes. 
> Perhaps procedures should be changed so NA ALAC reps
> are bound to follow 
> recommendations from the NARALO, as Darlene has
> suggested we look to 
> LACRALO. Perhaps the RALO should develop a procedure
> by which it can 
> indicate its [consensus, majority, other] commands
> to ALAC representatives.
> 
> I'm hardly trying to bury the issue.  I'm hoping it
> can yet be a source 
> of progress rather than mere argumentation.
> 
> --Wendy
> 
> 
> Danny Younger wrote:
> > Wendy,
> > 
> > As Robert on the NCUC list has revealed that you
> were
> > one of the parties consulted in a process that led
> to
> > the removal of a candidate from the voting roster,
> I
> > can understand why you might wish to bury the
> issue.
> > 
> > Sorry, but electoral fraud, an illegal
> interference
> > with the process of an election, is a serious
> matter
> > that can't just be swept under the carpet like it
> > never happened.  Removing a candidate from the
> roster
> > for no legitimate reason is illegal interference. 
> It
> > should not be condoned on the pretext of needing
> to
> > move on.
> > 
> > regards,
> > Danny
> > 
> > 
> > --- Wendy Seltzer <wendy at seltzer.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Danny,
> >>
> >> As you have always been one of the strongest
> voices
> >> in counseling us to 
> >> focus on policy rather than infighting, I hope
> you
> >> will also help us to 
> >> leave behind personal attacks and work with us to
> >> make the ALAC more 
> >> responsive to the at-large community.  With work,
> I
> >> hope we can minimize 
> >> such feelings of miscommunication in the future.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> --Wendy
> >>
> >> Danny Younger wrote:
> >>> Robert Guerra on the NARALO discussion list has
> >>> revealed that "Consultations were done with key
> >> people
> >>> active on the NA list as well as those in ICANN.
> >>> Consultations were done privately on a
> one-to-one
> >>> basis."
> >>>
> >>> These consultations with "those in ICANN"
> resulted
> >> in
> >>> a duly nominated and confirmed candidate being
> >> removed
> >>> from the voting roster.
> >>>
> >>> I find it highly disturbing that elected members
> >> of
> >>> the NARALO feel at liberty to consult with
> "those
> >> in
> >>> ICANN" without engaging in any consultation with
> >> those
> >>> in the NARALO membership.
> >>>
> >>> Who are "those in ICANN" that were consulted? 
> Are
> >>> ICANN Board members or ICANN Staff complicit in
> a
> >>> process to rig the ALAC elections?  Or is Robert
> >>> referring to others?  It is his wish that those
> >>> consultations remain privileged.
> >>>
> >>> We deserve a full investigation into this
> matter. 
> >> I
> >>> remain of the view that a legitimate candidate
> was
> >>> treatly unfairly and that at the very least the
> >>> Ombudsman should be called in to review this
> >> matter.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>        
> >>>
> >
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> >> -- 
> >> Wendy Seltzer -- wendy at seltzer.org
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> School
> >> of Law
> >> Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society
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> -- 
> Wendy Seltzer -- wendy at seltzer.org
> Visiting Professor, Northeastern University School
> of Law
> Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society
> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html
> http://www.chillingeffects.org/
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