[At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
Nick Ashton-Hart
nick.ashton-hart at icann.org
Fri Sep 7 07:35:59 EDT 2007
As mentioned, Jacqueline is unavailable due to a family emergency, and
Jose is on holiday until the 13th. Quite possibly you didn't see this
announcement before my immediately subsequent email to which you
replied. She will therefore only sporadically reply according to the
email she sent late yesterday.
As to guiding or not guiding, I am afraid that I do have an obligation
to help to ensure that the Committee has good advice on matters such as
procedures governing meetings, voting etc. Members are of course free to
take on board these points, or not. As has always been said by me, and
I'm sure Izumi that you would agree, it is much better if I can
intervene as little as possible, and one of the benefits of having a
vote on the Rules of Procedure (which I hope is soon) is that everyone
will then operate in complete certainty and any interventions which I
might make of that nature could simply refer you directly to the
provision in question. (I take your point that I could and should have
elaborated in the previous email, when I noted that the sponsors could
withdraw a measure, that the exception to that is when voting is
underway.) As to your suggestion that I not 'dictate' I can only assume
that this is a difference in the use of written english between a native
and a non-native speaker perhaps, since I'm sure you'd agree that I
haven't ever dictated to you, nor would I be in a position to order you
around.
Do you really find the current situation bizarre? From where I'm sitting
it looks like a rather unfortunate convergence of procedural motions
being voted on, combined with the sudden absence of the Chair to oversee
the process. That, to me, is unfortunate (and perhaps leads to dreary
emails like this chain) but doesn't seem bizarre to me... Perhaps I've
simply sat through too many intergovernmental and international
meetings, and now nothing seems bizarre to me anymore ;) It does strike
me, however, that this entire situation could have been prevented if the
ROPs had been voted on in advance of the ALAC Liaison vote - all of
these questions would not be occurring. This is unfortunate of course
and I trust that the Members will shortly deal with that situation.
To add to the procedural dreariness, the Committee will need to pick an
interim Chair through the 13th - Jacqueline may be able to attend the
telephonic meeting but I am not certain at this point from her email. I
will ring her over the weekend to find out.
--
Regards,
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----- Original message -----
From: "Izumi AIZU" <iza at anr.org>
To: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart at icann.org>
Cc: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg at web.de>, "carlos aguirre"
<carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com>, "At-Large Worldwide"
<alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:09:21 +0900
Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board
ofDirectors - result ?
Nick, I assume you are NOT the Chair of ALAC, so I would
request the Chair to make the final decision, but not you,
please do not guide, or dictate us one way or other.
And as you wrote
"If the sponsors of these proposals were
to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with."
which triggered my withdrawal, given there was no real time limit
set to make the final decision, and I feel like you are, in a good
faith perhaps, saying on the one hand in the move to Geneva
and may not have email access etc, but then putting too much
move on this.
I am sorry, but I am not going to vote, and this whole thing
is becoming bazaar.
One final question, you seem to know how many voted, which,
I could not figure out, as the pole menu was closed, but do
you also know the result already, which gives bigger worry.
If you KNOW the result as a staff, then you should really
refrain from even the procedural matters, otherwise it
will become more questionable.
Jacqueline, it's your turn.
izumi
2007/9/7, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart at icann.org>:
> Though at serious risk of producing a set of worldwide groans, I would
> be remiss in my obligations if I were not to further point out that once
> a vote is underway, withdrawing of proposals which are the object of the
> vote would be pretty much universally seen as not in good order.
>
> My sincere hope is that a bunch of the members of ALAC will take the
> time today to quickly vote on the two proposals which were put up on
> BigPulse last night, which once again are:
>
> 1) Should the two ALAC members who did not vote get the chance to do so?
> 2) Should the vote for the ALAC Liaison remain final and the results be
> announced forthwith
>
> The vote closes at 23:59 tonite so we could then have a result of the
> Board Liaison election announced very quickly (indeed, if a plurality
> are in favour of option 2, providing I can get online for long enough, I
> could post the link to the BigPulse results of the ALAC Liaison vote
> Saturday).
>
> I'm sure everyone would like to see this particular issue decided as
> quickly as possible (for what it is worth, I join you in that
> sentiment....)
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Nick Ashton-Hart
> Director, At-Large
> ICANN
> PO Box 32160
> London N4 2XY
> United Kingdom
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>
>
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Izumi AIZU" <iza at anr.org>
> To: "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart at icann.org>
> Cc: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg at web.de>, "carlos aguirre"
> <carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com>, "At-Large Worldwide"
> <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:06:30 +0900
> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board
> ofDirectors - result ?
>
> After very careful considration and some re-thinking, and
> given the fact that Alan alreday decided not to vote, I would like
> to withdraw my seconding the proposal to allow two person
> who did not vote to vote. I support just announce the result
> immediately now.
>
> sorry for the confusion, and as I stated earlier, this is not
> the biggest issue ALAC should spend much time and
> energy now, so let's close it - I hope Jaqcueline, our Chair
> will take this into closure.
>
> thanks,
>
> izumi
>
> 2007/9/7, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart at icann.org>:
> > Since two proposals were put forward, and both seconded, it would be
> > highly irregular to ignore them. If the sponsors of these proposals were
> > to withdraw them then of course they would not need to be dealt with.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Nick Ashton-Hart
> > Director, At-Large
> > ICANN
> > PO Box 32160
> > London N4 2XY
> > United Kingdom
> > Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011]
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> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original message -----
> > From: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg at web.de>
> > To: "carlos aguirre" <carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> > Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:10:21 +0200
> > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board
> > ofDirectors - result ?
> >
> > Dear Carlos,
> >
> > I think, now, that one of the two persons who did not vote, suggested to
> > simply announce the results, this is not an issue any longer.
> >
> > best greetings
> > Annette
> >
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: carlos aguirre <carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com>
> > > Gesendet: 05.09.07 23:49:57
> > > An: 'Izumi AIZU' <iza at anr.org>
> > > CC: 'At-Large Worldwide' <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> > > Betreff: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
> >
> >
> > > I particularly donŽt agree whit a new election. It`s my opinion that we canŽt vote if we can or not to know wich was the result of closed election. we had two candidates, and the voters were 13 out of 15. The mechanism was succesfuly acomplished. I think also the situation it`s became not clear for the all At Large community, and this is not good for us. We must to know now the voting result. I do not know in my experience any situation like this.
> > > obviously the committe decide.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
> > > abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
> > > * / 423-5423
> > > www.sitioderecho.com.ar
> > > www.densi.com.ar
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: nick.ashton-hart at icann.org
> > > > To: jam at jacquelinemorris.com; sebastien.bachollet at isoc.fr; iza at anr.org
> > > > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:00:32 +0100
> > > > CC: alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
> > > >
> > > > I will be able to setup a vote on this question tomorrow morning my time
> > > > (it is 10PM local time here now)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Nick Ashton-Hart
> > > > Director, At-Large
> > > > ICANN
> > > > PO Box 32160
> > > > London N4 2XY
> > > > United Kingdom
> > > > Main Tel: ]
> > > > USA Tel:
> > > > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135
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> > > > Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original message -----
> > > > From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>
> > > > To: sebastien.bachollet at isoc.fr, "'Izumi AIZU'" <iza at anr.org>, "'Nick
> > > > Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart at icann.org>
> > > > Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> > > > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0400
> > > > Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board
> > > > ofDirectors - result ?
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > > We have 2 motions seconded on the table now -
> > > > 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't able
> > > > to
> > > > vote - but tried/wanted - to vote
> > > > 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't able
> > > > to
> > > > vote - but tried/wanted - to vote
> > > >
> > > > So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up a
> > > > poll or
> > > > go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I seem
> > > > not
> > > > to be able to right now.
> > > >
> > > > Jacqueline
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Sébastien Bachollet [mailto:sebastien.bachollet at isoc.fr]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16
> > > > To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam at jacquelinemorris.com
> > > > Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide'
> > > > Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board
> > > > ofDirectors - result ?
> > > >
> > > > I support this motion seconded.
> > > > All the best
> > > >
> > > > Sébastien Bachollet
> > > > Président
> > > > sebastien.bachollet at isoc.fr
> > > > www.egeni.org
> > > > www.isoc.fr
> > > >
> > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > De : alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > > > [mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi AIZU
> > > > Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32
> > > > À : jam at jacquelinemorris.com
> > > > Cc : At-Large Worldwide
> > > > Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board
> > > > ofDirectors - result ?
> > > >
> > > > I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum
> > > > allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the
> > > > entire vote.
> > > >
> > > > izumi
> > > >
> > > > 2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>:
> > > > > We won't know
> > > > > But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in
> > > > the
> > > > > timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already
> > > > > indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote
> > > > > timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was
> > > > > already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the
> > > > vote
> > > > > for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody
> > > > else
> > > > > will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the
> > > > > holiday/moving/miscommunication.
> > > > > Jacqueline
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: John L [mailto:johnl at iecc.com]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10
> > > > > To: At-Large Worldwide
> > > > > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of
> > > > > Directors - result ?
> > > > >
> > > > > > I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we
> > > > > > have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
> > > > >
> > > > > If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not,
> > > > > there's no point to waiting.
> > > > >
> > > > > R's,
> > > > > John
> > > > >
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