[At-Large] Attending ALAC Monthly Teleconferences

Tue Jul 10 11:19:11 EDT 2007

Ah good - then I half-misunderstood you; my apologies. Hopefully the  
sentence on the openness of the meetings answered that question :)

On 10 Jul 2007, at 16:04, Michael Maranda wrote:

> Thats not the point, and it isn't a denial of the "reality of the  
> costs".
>
> Clear statement of the openness and appropriate dissemination of  
> meeting details is the point...
>
>
>
> On 7/10/07, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart at icann.org> wrote:
> I'm afraid we do have to worry about cost - we cannot end up in a  
> situation where we have run out of funds to have meetings at all  
> simply because people want to be on the call.
>
> There is no closed meeting in At-Large that I have ever experienced  
> - if one were closed, it would be identified as such.
>
> The meetings, transcriptions, and recordings are being posted as  
> they become available for SJ.
>
> On 10 Jul 2007, at 15:35, Michael Maranda wrote:
>
>> Regardless of cost, open meetings are open meetings, and if they  
>> are, then it should be clear with each and every announcement of  
>> same.  This is helpful for newcomers to the process, and we hope  
>> there will be a continuing stream of newcomers.... such measures  
>> as clear statements around what is open and what  is happening   
>> will provide orientation.  Yes it is a tad repetitive, but thats  
>> the price we need to pay.  Bits can be recycled.
>>
>> BTW, are the minutes of the prior ALAC meeting (in SJ) publicly  
>> available?
>>
>> On 7/10/07, Nick Ashton-Hart < nick.ashton-hart at icann.org> wrote:
>> Michael:
>>
>> There is no barrier to non-ALAC members attending the call. That  
>> said, every additional person on the call adds to the cost, and it  
>> already costs about US$12,000 per year for these calls, so I would  
>> hope that the community could use the recordings of the calls, the  
>> verbatim transcripts, and the summary minutes and not attend the  
>> calls in person as well. Otherwise, we will cut into the budget  
>> provision for teleconferences which exists for RALO  
>> teleconferences...
>>
>> On 10 Jul 2007, at 14:56, Michael Maranda wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a clear policy on who can join this meeting?  I had no  
>>> knowledge as to whether persons not on the committee could join  
>>> the call, and only learned that possibility after call had  
>>> commenced.
>>>
>>> On 7/10/07, Annette Muehlberg <annette.muehlberg at web.de > wrote:
>>> Dear Wendy,
>>>
>>> thank you for the update.
>>> I hope you are going to take part in our tel conf call today as the
>>> Whois issue is important to the individual users and we would  
>>> very much
>>> welcome your advice.
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Annette
>>>
>>>
>>> Wendy Seltzer schrieb:
>>> > The WHOIS working group is now working around the document  
>>> attached to
>>> > this list message:
>>> > < http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-whois-wg/msg00460.html >
>>> >
>>> > Although the OPOC (Operational Point of Contact) is still being
>>> > discussed, the draft burdens it procedural hurdles that would  
>>> make it
>>> > impracticably costly -- such as verification of the OPOC or
>>> > accreditation with ICANN and status as an agent for the  
>>> registrant.  The
>>> > intent behind many of these proposals seems, as is common, to  
>>> prevent
>>> > adoption of more privacy-respecting WHOIS display. If we don't  
>>> keep the
>>> > contact lightweight, it will be too costly for registrars to  
>>> implement
>>> > and individuals to adopt.
>>> >
>>> > As this is on the agenda for the WG's July 11 call,
>>> > < http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-whois-wg/msg00491.html>  it  
>>> would be
>>> > helpful if others who have been participating in the WG's work  
>>> would
>>> > also express their concerns, either on list or on the call.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The OPOC's responsibility was conceived as one to pass  
>>> information along
>>> > to the registrant, without requiring the registrant to list his  
>>> or her
>>> > direct contact information in public WHOIS.  Somewhere along  
>>> the way,
>>> > the WG has given the OPOC an additional role of REVEALing  
>>> information
>>> > when a query is made but not responded to.  This too seems like an
>>> > overextension and loss for privacy, at least where there is no  
>>> legal
>>> > reason for the registrant's information to be revealed.  As an
>>> > individual participant, I continue to advocate that only due  
>>> process of
>>> > law should force disclosure of contact information that  
>>> individuals
>>> > choose to protect.  I'd be happy to hear support or argument  
>>> with that
>>> > view.
>>> >
>>> > I will be happy to join the ALAC call if there is interest in  
>>> discussing
>>> > any of these issues. Please let me know, and share your views  
>>> if you're
>>> > not participating directly in the WG.
>>> >
>>> > --Wendy
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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