[At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Budget provisions relating to DomainTasting

[Danny Younger]

Boy, you sure have a way of twisting words.  

No one is justifying a 31% increase, instead the
reality of markups has been pointed out to you --
something you should have taken into account when you
caved in to VeriSign and granted their price increase.

The shame is yours.


--- Roberto Gaetano <roberto at icann.org> wrote:

> No, what I find odd is the inqualifiable
> justification of a further $1.58
> increase in pure profit blamed on an ICANN Board
> decision.
> 
> I do not find odd that commercial companies do their
> business, I find odd
> that a self appointed champion of the user interests
> justifies an
> unjustifiable 31% increase in end user prices based
> on a 7% raw material
> prices.
> 
> Anyway, I find it odd, but I wonder why I am not
> surprised.
> 
> Regards
> Roberto
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Danny Younger
> [mailto:dannyyounger at yahoo.com] 
> > Sent: 09 July 2007 01:33
> > To: Roberto Gaetano; 'Michael Maranda'; 'At-Large
> Worldwide'; 
> > na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > Subject: RE: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Budget
> provisions 
> > relating to DomainTasting
> > 
> > Re:  "It is again odd that a raise of full $2.00
> can be 
> > justified in this way."
> > 
> > Sorry, but why do you think that this is odd?  
> > 
> > Board members know the Redemption Grace Period Fee
> charged by 
> > Registries is set at $40, and that many registrars
> will 
> > charge well in excess of 4X markup -- eNom is at
> $160, while 
> > some hosting companies charge as much as $260.
> > 
> > Registrar markup of the 42 cent fee increase is to
> be 
> > expected.  A 4X markup would raise a registrar
> price by 
> > $1.68, and higher markups could easily raise it
> over $2.00.
> > 
> > Was the Board so blinded to reality that they
> thought that 
> > registrars would either eat or simply pass along
> the 42 
> > cents?  Markup is part of normal business.  You
> shouldn't find it odd.
> > 
> > What you should find odd is the miserable
> justifications that 
> > were given by Board members for screwing the
> public with an 
> > unjustified price increase.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Roberto Gaetano <roberto at icann.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > First of all, I am sure that Alan knows about
> the details of Domain 
> > > Tasting, since in the ALAC mailing lists this
> problem has 
> > been rased 
> > > since months, an issue report has been requested
> by ALAC, 
> > and Alan is 
> > > in the GNSO team who is in charge for further
> fact finding.
> > > 
> > > This said, the fact that domain tasting bring an
> increase 
> > in "regular"
> > > registrations is exactly the evidence brought by
> domainers 
> > and domain 
> > > tasters/kiters to justify the practice. It is at
> least odd that the 
> > > same phenomenon is brought up in this
> discussion. Being 
> > paranoiac by 
> > > nature, I tend to pay attention to coincidences.
> > > 
> > > Last but not least, the price increase is
> orthogonal to 
> > this issue, as 
> > > it comes from the 7% increase that registries
> (not
> > > ICANN!) will apply. This
> > > increase accounts for a grand total of .42 USD,
> "autrement dit" 42 
> > > cents of US$. It is again odd that a raise of
> full $2.00 can be 
> > > justified in this way, and it is at least
> suspicious that a 
> > long time 
> > > militant omits to remark that the issues are
> separated and that a 
> > > raise of such extent is not justified.
> > > 
> > > Incidentally, relevant ICANN staff in copy to
> craft 
> > appropriate follow 
> > > up to AIT Domains, thanks Danny for pointing out
> media clip.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Roberto
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > > > [mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org]
> On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > > Danny Younger
> > > > Sent: 08 July 2007 21:27
> > > > To: Michael Maranda; At-Large Worldwide; 
> > > > na-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Budget
> > > provisions
> > > > relating to DomainTasting
> > > > 
> > > > Re:  The small increase may seem trivial, but
> the
> > > principle
> > > > is more important.
> > > > 
> > > > The price increase (which won't go into effect
> > > until October
> > > > 15) is not trivial -- registrars are already
> > > raising their
> > > > prices in anticipation of the price
> > > > increase:
> > > > 
> > > > "AIT Domains says that under the promotion all
> > > domain names
> > > > will cost $6.49 until July 6. However, due to
> > > recently
> > > > announced price increases from ICANN, AIT
> Domains
> > > says it's
> > > > being forced to raise its prices.
> > > > Rates are currently scheduled to go up to
> $8.49
> > > per
> > > > registration year on July 9."  
> > > > 
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.thewhir.com/marketwatch/070307_AIT_Holds_Fourth_of_
> > > July_Special.cfm
> > > > 
> > > > What's more important than all of this is the
> > > issue of bad
> > > > decision-making on the part of the
> unaccountable
> > > ICANN Board. 
> > > >  The Internet community has no way of
> "throwing
> > > the bums out" 
> > > > because ICANN remains accountable to no one.
> > > > 
> > > > Until this problem is solved it really doesn't
> > > much matter
> > > > what the community consensus is on the AGP or
> > > anything
> > > > else... ICANN remains free to ignore the voice
> of
> > > the people.  
> > > > 
> > > > Presently, ICANN profits from the consequences
> of
> > > domain
> > > > tasting... the more names that are tasted, the
> > > more names
> > > > that will eventually be registered as some of
> > > these names can
> > > > successfully be monetized.  Profits for the
> > > registries,
> > > > profits for the registrars, profits for
> ICANN...
> > > there were
> > > > about 16 million new registrations last year
> (a
> > > good chunk of
> 
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