[At-Large] Geographic diversity in the NARALO
Izumi AIZU
iza at anr.org
Fri May 25 10:20:38 EDT 2007
Being from outside NA, I also echo with what John proposes and others
agree. Whichever way you choose, you will receive criticisms from one
camp. So receiving criticisms per se is not or should not be the factor
to decide. For most average Asians, we cannot differentiate Canadians
and Americans in most cases (sorry folks). Maybe many Americans
or Europeans don't recognies the difference between Koreans and
Japanese - for us it is very different each other. AND, while there
is a sort of "standard Americans" or typical US people as an image,
the USA is one of the most diverse country, if you look at the
ethnic groups etc. I don't think ALS/RALO in NA directly reflects
the "nationality" in the same line as Asians. Let the constituency
decide in a open and bottom-up manner, will be the best solution
it seems.
izumi
2007/5/21, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>:
> Hi Nick and everyone
> The basis here is not country, and honestly, I think it's up to the NARALO
> to decide what they want, once it fits the basic principles of the AtLarge.
>
> I don't see a problem with John's proposal... to me personally, it's more
> important that there is an effort for gender and language diversity than
> country diversity... but then anyone reading the notes from the LACRALO
> pre-formation could see that. :)
> So John's proposed language is fine by me (not that I have a vote in NARALO)
>
> Jacqueline
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Ashton-Hart [mailto:nick.ashton-hart at icann.org]
> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:36 AM
> To: John L
> Cc: Luc Faubert; NA Discuss; alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org;
> na-als at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Geographic diversity in the NARALO
>
> John and Alan, I stand corrected on the Bylaw provision. That said,
> the requirement of different countries is present in all the other
> regional MoUs.
>
> As to your point about relative population, this could have been said
> in other regions as well. China and India could have argued this point
> in Asia, others in LAC, others still in Europe. Nobody has done so.
>
> At the UN, voting could be based upon population, or economic output,
> GDP, or other statistics but it is not; it is based upon the one
> country, one vote principle. That is the principle which the
> 'residents or nationals' provision seeks to continue in ICANN.
>
> ICANN, as everyone knows, has in the past been criticised for being
> too US-centric, and also too Western-centric, as well as too
> English-centric. I would ask you all to consider the message that
> would be sent if North America were to adopt less diversity guarantees
> than any other region.
>
> 'One man, one vote' is widely admired as a fundamentally important
> principle. In international relations, the equivalent principle of
> 'one country, one vote' is also equally fundamentally important.
>
> I have a query in on the geographic diversity provision and the
> different countries question. I'll let everyone know what I hear
> back...
>
> On 19/05/07, John L <johnl at iecc.com> wrote:
> > > Article 5.4.1 of our current MOU states:
> > >
> > > "Selected individuals must be individual members or members of different
> > > At-Large Structures based in different countries in the North American
> > > region, and they may not be citizens of the same country."
> >
> > Well, OK, now it's not in the bylaws, now it's in the proposed MOU. I'm
> > getting the impression this is a rule that someone made up one day and
> > said "it's always been that way." ICANN evidently places no requirements
> > on RALO appointed members other than that they be residents of the region.
> >
> > As I hardly need to remind people, the NA region consists, unlike any
> > other region, of only two countries, one of which is ten times as
> > populous as the other. While I think it is important to encourage
> > geographic diversity, I don't think anyone would favor a rule that
> > required that one member always be from Califonia. Yet California has the
> > same population as Canada. When the Nomcom member is from Canada (who,
> > incidentally, I think is doing a fine job, this isn't about him), this
> > rule would in effect give Canadians twenty times the per capita vote of
> > Americans.
> >
> > I would adjust that section to say:
> >
> > "Selected individuals must be individual members or members of different
> > At-Large Structures based the North American region. To the maximum
> > extent feasible, the selected individuals should represent the geographic
> > and cultural diversity of the region."
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Levine, johnl at iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for
> Dummies",
> > Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor
> > "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.
> >
>
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