[At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Fwd: Legal Status of ICANN RALO MOUs

[Danny Younger]

Re:  more "countable" and "identifiable"

Vittorio,

You are being silly.  Like many other individuals you
have participated in the DNSO/GNSO General Assembly, a
construct designed to aggregate individuals in a
cross-constituency platform.  These individuals are as
countable and identifiable as any of the ALS
organizations.  Further, they usually identify an
issue long before the ALAC ever wakes up to the fact
that a problem even exists.


--- Vittorio Bertola <vb at bertola.eu> wrote:

> John L ha scritto:
> > The ALS/RALO scheme exists, but it only provides a
> trickle of 
> > accountability to the ALSes, and none to
> individual Internet users.  One 
> > of the deep flaws I realized this setup has is
> that most if not all of the 
> > ALSes really belong in the NCUC, and as Danny
> Younger has often reminded 
> > us, there's no route for all of the "none of the
> above" users.  Some RALOs 
> > have provision for unaffiliated users, but they
> tend to be treated as a 
> > sort-of-ALS which still marginalizes them.
> 
> I think that you have to distinguish between the
> level of informal 
> consensus polling, and the level of formal
> representation.
> 
> At the level of consensus polling, individuals are
> now allowed on this 
> (global) list and on all regional lists. Whenever
> something is posted to 
> these lists for discussion, I've not seen anyone
> giving different 
> importance to a message because it comes from an
> accredited ALS rather 
> than from an individual subscriber. On the other
> hand, the number both 
> of organizations and of individuals that participate
> in these 
> discussions is still limited, and this might be an
> issue, though I've 
> learned with time that, if you take out the
> fascination created by 
> endless debate on structures, global democracy etc,
> and start addressing 
> ICANN policy issues, the number both of
> organizations and of individuals 
> that are interested is even more limited.
> 
> At the level of formal representation (and thus,
> consequently, of 
> whatever decision has to be taken by the ALAC rather
> than by broader 
> consensus), you are right, but still the
> intermediation of the ALSes 
> (which are entities much more "countable" and
> "identifiable" than a 
> global self-selected set of online identities who
> register on a website) 
> seems to me the most practical idea that we've seen
> up to now to create 
> a constituents base that can represent global users
> and their diverse 
> views, have a broad footing, spend the time
> necessary to participate, 
> and yet give way to formal and transparent processes
> for selecting 
> representatives. My two cents of course!
> -- 
> vb.                   Vittorio Bertola - vb [a]
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