[At-Large] ALS lists - why no public archive?

[Adam Peake]

At 8:46 PM -0700 4/8/07, Bret Fausett wrote:
>Adam, they are archived:



Bret (Nick, happy holiday!), I'm obviously not explaining myself very well.

I know about the archives*.  I know there's a council list and 
regional discussion lists.  What I cannot see are archives of the ALS 
discussion lists. Perhaps I am wrong, but if the ALS are to represent 
the views of individuals users, then it is the policy discussions 
happening at that level that represent the bottom-up process ALAC's 
about.

If ALAC's opinion are to carry weight (and I think there are great 
opportunities for ALAC to take on more direct leadership roles if it 
can show good process for representing the views of individuals) then 
the ICANN community's going to want to see that the policy being 
recommended, people being sent as representatives, really comes from 
users and represents those users views.

I've looked for ALS sites, some don't seem to exist, some don't seem 
to discuss ICANN issues. If there isn't more activity and 
transparency then I suspect the rest of ICANN will start to wonder if 
there's any depth to these structures.

Nick mentioned one other thing I should clarify:

At 4:27 PM +0100 4/8/07, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:

<snip>

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>
>The ALS mailing lists could easily be made available to non-members -
>the reason that they are not is only to reduce the spam received by
>the participants of the list from bots crawling the archives if they
>were public.


I wasn't suggesting that everyone should have posting rights, 
perfectly reasonable to have lists where only the ALS reps and their 
members can post.  But those lists should have archives that can be 
seen by anyone.  I can't imagine ALS representatives discussing 
anything private - I'd imagine these would be lists where ideas from 
the ALS would bubble up for regional discussion. Open archive won't 
effect spam etc.

Adam

(BTW, there's one archive I can't find, that's for the address alac at icann.org)





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>>  [mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Adam Peake
>>  Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 5:59 AM
>>  To: alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>  Subject: [At-Large] ALS lists - why no public archive?
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>>  Perhaps I'm missing something, but looking around the ALAC
>>  site information about ALS is pretty lacking.  Particularly,
>>  why aren't the ALS mailing lists archives visible to non-members?
>>
>>  If ALS exist to support "individual Internet users' informed
>>  participation in ICANN..." etc etc, how can they do this if
>>  the ALS lists are closed, if we can't see how policy is made,
>>  with what degree of support, who was involved.  What are the
>>  ALS doing?
>>
>>  Not suggesting ALS lists should be open to non ALS members,
>>  but if their recommendations, and "bottom up" policy
>>  represented by ALAC in ICANN is to be taken seriously, then
>>  there should be transparency.
>>
>>  Thanks,
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>>  Adam
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