<div dir="ltr">Maureen,<div><br></div><div>absolutely. 90% of the work should go into the problem definition.</div><div><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 12:47 AM Maureen Hilyard <<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com">maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">And that it is meaningful to both ICANN and the At-Large Community... <div><br></div><div>But starting a good discussion.. :)<br><div><br></div><div>M</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 6:37 PM Alejandro Pisanty <<a href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com" target="_blank">apisanty@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Don't focus on the nature of the survey (self-selected or otherwise) nor anything else (need for a firm etc.) - before wasting anybody's time and energy, start with a question whose answer is not yet known and is relevant to a decision to be made. So, what is the decision that needs to be made?<div><br></div><div>Alejandro Pisanty</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 10:11 PM Jonathan Zuck <<a href="mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org" target="_blank">JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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We really need to hire a survey firm to develop a worthwhile sample. We shouldn't be attempting an end user survey with Survey Monkey where people self select. We shoul<span id="gmail-m_2235682535427775174gmail-m_-1012357673848128328gmail-m_7377208609514210649ms-outlook-android-cursor"></span>d only use Survey Monkey with people already
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Whether there is a well-defined question that can only be answered by survey remains to be seen. That's the exercise here.<br>
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<div>is there a well-defined question that cannot be answered except by a survey? </div>
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<div>Is the budget there for the design of the survey, segmentation, etc. before the first line of surveymonkey is written? What is the project? What decision will be fed by the answer to the survey?</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 9:48 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>After ATLASIII I had hoped that we might have had enough interest and capacity to establish a research group, but it never eventuated. I guess because there wasn't anyone to drive them towards a particular purpose as there is now.</div>
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<div>So what is it that you are particularly after so that we can gather some ideas from other like-minded individuals, about what is out there that could be useful to us, if that's what we need to do. </div>
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We took.a shot and hoped for more, but its a start. We have to find a way to make good use of it. We can't mount a worldwide survey with that much and we SHOULD not do a stupid self selection survey. That leaves two options: piggyback or pilot. Global surveys
are historically rare but have become more frequent with COVID. With $50k, we might get a few questions added to something already being fielded. Alternatively, we focus on a particular geographic region and language and see if we can get valuable enough
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<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">To Heidi who <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/ALAC+-+FY22+Additional+Budget+Requests?preview=/151847210/158139112/FY22%20Community%20Request%20-%20Polling%5B1%5D.docx" target="_blank">
advanced this request</a> within ICANN, and to all who had a part of creating it, a heartfelt and personal thank you.</div>
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<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I am extremely heartened by the allocation of funds for survey-based research to support and drive ALAC's ongoing work. Some of you may have seen my participation in At-Large mailing lists complaining
about the lack of such resources, and now here they are. I have no idea whether my contributions played any role in development of this formal request of which I was not aware, but regardless I am sincerely appreciative of the significant effort that I know
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<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">So now is the time to deliver, now that the opportunity is at hand. I have no idea what kind of sub-group and/or what ALAC support staff will be tasked to turn this approval into a detailed plan;
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<div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(11,83,148)">And, again, thank you to all involved.<br>
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