<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Totally agree with Olivier. Nothing can replace face to face discussions. As we all know, the work of ICANN is done as much over meals/drinks as in meetings, and where knowledge and trust in everyone can be built.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Holly<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 11, 2020, at 6:17 PM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" class="">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Dear Wolfgang,<br class="">
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whilst I'd like to think we can get by with only having two face to
face meetings per year, I am not convinced as I am already seeing
the limitations of such meetings.<br class="">
First, I believe that this is likely to negatively impact on our
community. The ALAC and Regional Leaders are a Team that is supposed
to work together towards a common goal. A vital component of a Team
is for them to work well together and a synergy to come out of this
collaboration. This is impossible by doing meetings online only. You
need the essential human face to face element. You need people to be
able to talk to each other during a break. You need bilaterals.<br class="">
Second, one thing which I have noticed over years of involvement at
ICANN, when the going gets tough, these moments in particularly
tough working groups where there is no consensus and we are a hair
away from a trench war, having a face to face meeting with the
corridor discussions, with other people around, with the possibility
of speaking separately with the person or group of people that do
not agree on a consensus, is a vital component part of finding the
elusive consensus. For reasons of confidentiality I cannot explain
specific examples, but I can think of dozens of times when, during a
break, a deadlock has been resolved by opposing parties meeting
quickly in a corner of the room and understanding what is the
problem, off the record, to find a solution and not end up with a
failure in the process. I have personally experienced this at many
meetings, whether at ITU, United Nations, WIPO, WEF... and of course
at ICANN. <br class="">
With less face to face meeting opportunities, I can foresee that
some ICANN processes are going to be delayed. I can foresee that
some ICANN processes might result in deadlock, because there is no
opportunity to meet face to face and reach a deal. Now that everyone
speaks on the record and nobody sees the facial expression, yet the
white of the eye and body language of the other persons they are
speaking with, participants end up speaking to a blank screen and
rhetoric wins over reason. In a top-down system where one person
makes the decision, this doesn't matter so much. But in a bottom-up
system where everyone has to work towards a common goal, the human
touch is a vital component, as we are not machines and never will
be.<br class="">
Kindest regards,<br class="">
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Olivier<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/04/2020 11:21, Wolfgang
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<div class=""> I did this proposed already after virtuel@Cancun67: Lets
reform the ICANN Meeting Strategy: One Spring and one Fall ICANN
Meeting F2F, and one virtual meeting in the summer. This would
also save travel money and be good for the environment. :-))) <br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class=""> Kaili Kan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kankaili@gmail.com"><kankaili@gmail.com></a> hat
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<div class=""> If this works well, it may become the norm from now
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<div class=""> However, still feeling that nothing can replace F2F.
Already missing everybody. : ( </div>
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