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--></style></head><body lang=ES-AR link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> <span lang=EN-US>Reaffirming my previous concepts. I cited the case of a country in Asia Pacific where only one person did not obtain the visa. Let me quote textually the clarification of that person (my friend) about the problem of rejection.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I obtained my visa as a tourist. I travel with my lady and I will remain in Montreal as a tourist several days after ICANN 66. Maybe that's why I had no problems. The "work / business" option should not be so restorative, or it should be separate, because it has a greater demand than that of a tourist. That's why I warned with a lot of time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The clarification of my friend:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>"There are several people from the same country with granted visas, and only one from that country with a visa denied."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This is true, but not very precise. I was the only person from our country who has made an application based on Newland Chase Advice via online application system through the global portal of Canada.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The rest of people from our country have NOT applied online and have NOT followed that procedure, they used the services of the local Armenia-based visa consulting company, and the logic of their application process was totally different. </span><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As a result, they have been granted visas.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Alberto<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>De: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> en nombre de Alberto Soto <alberto@soto.net.ar><br><b>Fecha: </b>lunes, 28 de octubre de 2019, 02:09<br><b>Para: </b>Satish Babu <sb@inapp.com>, John More <morej1@mac.com><br><b>CC: </b>At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org><br><b>Asunto: </b>Re: [At-Large] The visa to Canada and fall of participation<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>+1 Satish!!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Best</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Alberto</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>De: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> en nombre de Satish Babu via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org><br><b>Responder a: </b>Satish Babu <sb@inapp.com><br><b>Fecha: </b>lunes, 28 de octubre de 2019, 02:00<br><b>Para: </b>John More <morej1@mac.com><br><b>CC: </b>At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org><br><b>Asunto: </b>Re: [At-Large] The visa to Canada and fall of participation</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Evan.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In addition to all the benefits mentioned, remote meetings will also save on the enormous carbon emissions that our meetings seem to cause (as per the ICANN CEO's recent blog). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>However, in a recent conversation with the CEO, we were told that ICANN does not foresee any change in its meeting strategy in the short run, which means we have to still seek ways to improve the visa process, especially for participants from the Developing World.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>With kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>satish<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:33 AM John More via At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>+1<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>John More<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Oct 27, 2019, at 6:30 PM, Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank">evan@telly.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>If there is indeed a genuine search for solutions....</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>The most obvious answer for years has been to not require anyone to have to physically travel, and to have Summits which by-design are meant to be held virtually.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Not only does this eliminate visa problems completely, but it also vastly reduces logistical challenges for both organizer and participant:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span style='color:#0B5394'>No lost luggage</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span style='color:#0B5394'>No health insurance issues</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span style='color:#0B5394'>No missed flights</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span style='color:#0B5394'>No hotel booking problems</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>No currency-exchange issues</span></span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span style='color:#0B5394'>No issues with airport-to-hotel transportation</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Having a virtual Summit also reduces the travel and settling-in time (making more time available for meetings) and eliminates delegates' burning fossil fuels to congregate in one place. More importantly, it also means that expenses are drastically reduced, so organizers don't have to go through an arduous task of determining who can or cannot be funded to go. The original ATLAS concept of one delegate per ALS doesn't have to be binned because of cost considerations.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>The technology exists to do this -- the move from Connect to Zoom completely enables the capacity -- and we even has a proof of concept in the ISOC InterCommunity events which have been running for some time now. The cost of providing subsidy for short term reliable Internet access, to participants with connectivity challenges, would be far less than the cost of airfare and hotel.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Indeed I have previously advocated that all ICANN meetings should be mostly virtual as a matter of equitable access (ie, not only those with financial interest in ICANN decisions get to participate fully). Especially for At-Large ... think of how the money saved could be spent on public education and surveys that would legitimize our standing and serve our mission. But that's for a different thread.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>The simplest way to deal with visa problems (among many other problems) is to eliminate the travel component completely and meet virtually.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>- Evan</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>At-Large mailing list<br><a href="mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br><a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large" target="_blank">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large</a><br><br>At-Large Official Site: <a href="http://atlarge.icann.org" target="_blank">http://atlarge.icann.org</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy</a>) and the website Terms of Service (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos</a>). 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